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ritonmousquetaire> Ah, I forgot to answer your other question. I think that on any instrument you have to play with your own limits and, unless you play electronic music, with the limits of your instrument. So I think that there is a lot to do with a 46 buttons hayden duet. But as I got used to 52 buttons I now need all these buttons and would be frustrated to have just 46. Actually I'd like to get even a little more buttons. With the hayden system you have all the "normal" notes in the middle of the keyboard and the flat and sharp notes on each opposite side of each hand, which is quite convenient to play in the most common keys but become more difficult when you want to play in some keys with many altered (?) notes. So I'd like to get the flat and sharp notes doubled (?) on each opposite side of each hand in order to have the choice of the fingerings when I have to play in those keys.

ceemonster> Thanks for the links. On my youtube channel I have a playlist called Tangotina where I'm collecting all the videos that I can find about tangos played on concertinas. ritonmousquetaire> do you live in or near Paris? In that case we could first play La Marine or La Partida with your ukulele and after that try some easy tango.

@Ritonmousquetaire I began to play La Marine on my duet and I will post a video as soon as I'm able to. It would be great to listen to this tune on the anglo and solo EC as well. On the other thread I have just sent the link for La Partida that I promised before but after recording it I realized that it doesn't really sound like french musette. Maybe playing french musette on the duet would be another challenge after tango music…

@ceemonster If you could find a way to record and upload your music, I would be also very interested to listen to your rendition of La Boheme. And you seems to know very well tango music. I began to play duet concertina with an amateur tango orchestra 2 years ago in Paris and it's a good challenge to play bandonion parts on the concertina. I'm also very interested to explore the potential of tango played on concertina but the problem is that you will always suffer the comparison with the sound of the bandonion. But I'd like to experiment a mini tango band with ukulele and concertina if there is a chance.

Here is the link for the video that I have promised to Ritonmousquetaire but maybe it sounds more like venezuelan musette rather than french musette: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx2KSvr2n9s

Thanks Riton for sharing this wonderful video! I had heard that Devos used to play concertina but I didn't know that he was playing such a nice english concertina. Did you try to play this tune on your anglo? I'd like to try it on the Hayden duet.

A Hayden concertina player from Brazil sent me recently an adaptation for concertina of the score of a piece from Purcell. As he is playing a Stagi 46 buttons I think that it would be possible to play it on the Peacock as well. If you are interested to try it I can forward his e-mail to you. And if you want to listen to the music I have just posted it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02di8SWeio

Waouh, that's the range that I'd like to get but if the instrument is so difficult to play I agree that it's better to have less buttons. I'd like to know if it's because of the large number of buttons that it's so difficult to pump the bellow. Do you know who actually bought this instrument?

Thank you David, this document is very precious for me because I realize that what I'm searching for is very close to the Wicky concertina, except for the mirror image left hand because I didn't get used to it with the Beaumont. And maybe with a keyboard shape closer to the bandoneon because it seems quite difficult to reach all the buttons on the Wicki concertina.

To David, Thanks for this nice video of another waltz close to the french musette style, and the information about the wicki system. Do you have an idea of the space between the buttons in the wicki concertina compare to the hayden system? And do you know if it could be possible to find somewhere a copy of the entire version of the instruction manual from Wicki?

To ceemonster, Sorry, I thought that Riton was searching for a kind of concertina which allows him to play french musette. Your french is very good!

Bonjour Riton, I think that it could be possible to play french musette on the Hayden duet. The only but important difference with the accordion is that you don't have ready made chords for the accompaniment. So you have to do it by yourself which is a little more difficult but sometimes more interesting because you can choose the position. Recently I began to play La Partida, which is a venezuelian waltz but I think that it sounds a little like french musette. I will try to upload it on youtube asap. And I don't know if it's really musette but I used to play Les amants de Saint-Jean too when I began the instrument. If you are not too far from Paris and want to take a look or a try at my concertina you are welcome. If you want to know more about the instrument you can also write to my e-mail address: soloduetconcertina@gmail.com But my english is not as good as yours, so better in french for me. Didier

Thank you David, I didn't know that it was you who were playing on the Beaumont's video and I didn't know that the Wicki 's system had the left hand buttons in mirror image arrangement, but even without the mirror left hand it seems that he was the first to think about this layout. As for the parallel or not parallel keyboard I have not yet a definitive opinion about that. My first instrument was a Stagi ordered on internet but it was quite bad and I didn't play it that much. When I received the Beaumont my first impression was that some fingerings were easier with the parallel keyboard and some others became more difficult. So I thought that it was just a question of adaptation to one or another position. Now that I have more experience with the hayden keyboard I'd like to compare once again while playing the same tunes on both but I have sold my Stagi, so I can't say what I think is the best for me. I think that the idea of Brian Hayden to make the octave playing easier was a good idea because it's true that it's a little difficult to play the octave on the same line. But as Little John said I don't understand why Brian Hayden didn't make the slant towards the little finger. But maybe he tried and he had a good reason to make it like he did?

Thank you, I like the sound of your concertinas and even the Bastari sounds good I think. Are the keyboards parallels to the palm bar? I noticed that they have both metal ends. I like the sound of the Jeffries concertinas with metal ends as well. Do you think that concertinas with metal ends have a better sound?

I'd like to get an hybrid instrument between hayden duet and bandonion, with double reeds to improve the sound, and with double buttons for sharp and flat notes on each hand so that it could be easier to play in any keys. But I don't know if it's a good idea until I will get this instrument because the space between the buttons will be a little larger than the hayden duet, like the bandonion. But I listened to your videos and they sound very good. Do you have 2 different hayden duet?

Hello to everybody, Thank you very much for your interest in my videos and kind comments. Yes, I'm french and living in the Paris suburb. I registered here on concertina.net 2 years ago but forgot to return after. A friend from England told me about this thread and it's a good opportunity to come back and talk with other concertina players because we are very few to play this instrument here in France. I try to experiment different kind of musics on the hayden system and I'd like to get this system improved if more musicians could be interested in it. Didie Sendra