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  1. Have you considered buying them a 'toy melodeon' as an alternative - an example here. That's in the UK, but I'm sure you'll find similar in North America. It'll be cheaper, and there are all the buttons etc. to play with. Get them one each, so they can play duets - get two different colours to avoid fights... I seem to remember reading a story about someone who got a fettler to 'hot-rod' one of these things, which was subsequently used with great success as a 'novelty' at Morris dance outs... There are many threads on melodeon.net dealing with these things, eg: here. Do an 'Advanced Search' on the phrase "toy melodeon" to see more... There's any number of videos on YouTube. This is a favourite...
  2. Correct! That's what you get when you do 'difficult' stuff early in the morning, before that first, vital caffeine infusion, and before being fully awake - if I can ever be described as fully awake...😎 hcjones described the situation far more concisely than I did, and my software simply abides by those conventions. FWIW, it also handles all keys with the same number of sharps/flats in the same way, so Cmaj, Ddor, Amin/Aaeo, etc. are all handled in the same way...
  3. Yes. Why? Because in the ABC code for a tune in the key of Amajor, Fs, Gs and As are written as 'F', 'G' and 'A' (or 'f', 'g', 'a', etc. depending on the octave), and I write the ABC notes as encountered in the ABC script. I do the same for all key signatures. I read the file into memory and then close it (so I can't 'mangle' the original ABC code). I then do the necessary scanning of the music lines in the in-memory code, make the required changes, and write the modified ABC to a completely new file... I did think about explicitly writing the accidentals as accidentals, but the sharpening (or flattening) of the notes is implicit in standard staff notation, so I decided to go with that convention. Explicit accidentals in the ABC code are written as such (see the 'D's and 'ds' in the example I posted). I hope that explains it adequately...
  4. Of course, if you're a masochist with too much time on your hands, you can modify any ABC script to include a partial rendering of the ABC code itself, as part of the score, along with the standard staff notation. A sort of 'belt and braces' approach: I was asked to supply note-names below the notes by someone running a whistle class, and from that it was only one step further to convert the note names to ABC names. What fun...😎 ach.abc
  5. Yes, you're absolutely right, but it looks like it's a non-trivial exercise to set things up to run the program 'locally' ('twas discussed a while back, I think?), and I simply don't have the time to investigate this further. When/if some public spirited individual provides a download which works 'straight-out-of-the-box' I may look at it again, but I'm too long in the tooth to want to start learning all sorts of new stuff ('lack of moral fibre', I guess)...
  6. I do exactly the same with my own ABC 'tune book', and use my own software to search for (and extract to a separate ABC file), all tunes which match (just about) any search criterion I can think of. I use a 'notepad' computer rather than a 'phone (because I need to run the software), but the principle is the same.
  7. Drifting a little off-topic, is that the 'Jianpu' system? If the answer is yes, then there is apparently a feature in abc2svg which accommodates this notation. I'm never going to use this notation though - this is just to make sure you know it's there, if you wanted to use it... As far as I can see, abc2svg is supposed to be the 'replacement' for abcm2ps, but looking at the dialogues on the ABC-Users mailing list, there do seem to be a number of problems with the software which are a little off-putting.[1] _______________ [1] Actually, I'm not going to be using abc2svg any time soon, as it seems to require that I connect to the internet to use it. I no longer connect my 'workhorse' machine to the internet, a policy I introduced last July, since when I've had completely trouble free usage - no automatic updates of software or operating system which I don't want updating; no intrusive messages from manufacturers/software suppliers concerning stuff which is none of their business, etc. One of the best decisions I ever made...
  8. [1] Absolutement, mon general! After 5-6 years, I can read a little ABC - though I don't go out of my way to do it. In a way, it's only to be 'expected' - once you become a little familiar with the language, you can translate it directly into the required result - up to a point... [2] I did a few simple tests 3-4 years ago. lilypond scripts are something like 2.5-5 times more verbose than the equivalent ABC script. MuseScore scripts are ~10x larger than the equivalent ABC script (and they aren't directly readable). So yeah, ABC cuts it, I think - certainly, it does for me... [3] My main point - see if these simple tutorials also do the job. I started with these, and still refer back to them 5-6 years down the road...
  9. Here is the ABC: X:589 T:Barnacle Bill %A lightly edited tune from Richard Robinson's tune book: http://richardrobinson.tunebook.org.uk T:Blue Peter theme tune C:Ashworth-Hope Z:Steve Mansfield June 2001 rev. 05/10/2003 N:Posted to uk.music.folk 05/10/2003 M:4/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=130 R:Hornpipe K:Gmaj |: DE | G2 G2 GABc | d2 d2 d2 ef | gage dedB | AGEG A2 DE | |1 G2 G2 GABc | d2 d2 d2 ge | fafd egec | d2 d2 d2 :| |2 GAGe edBd | dBAB G2 e2 | dedB GABc | d2 f2 g2 |] |: ga | g2 d2 cBAG | d2 d2 d2 ga | g2 d2 cBAG | c2 e2 d2 ga | g2 d2 cBAG | d2 d2 d2 ge | f2 a2 g2 b2 | a2 e2 fe d2 :| g2 d2 cBAG | d2 d2 d2 ga | g2 d2 cBAG | c2 e2 d2 d2 | g2 d2 a2 d2 | bc'ba g2 e2 | dedB GABc | d2 B2 G2 || I have attached a PDF. I must say that when I play that ABC back, it doesn't sound much like my memory of the 'Blue Peter' theme tune... Which reminds me... I've been meaning to ask for ages! Anyone have an ABC transcription of the old BBC Radio 4 Theme? That would be nice! Barnacle Bill.pdf
  10. I know of at least one set of laser printer templates for Anglo concertina, eg: here. I don't think laser printers work properly if you feed them a diet of Cadbury's Chocolate Buttons... So, is it 'solid' chocolate (or blancmange, or whatever) or is it 'icing' on a celebration cake? It looks pretty convincing at first sight...
  11. I don't remember posting that diagram, but as Luke Hillman has tagged this, thus at least notionally 'reviving' the thread, I'll add that that text-based diagram has the notes designated as push/pull - just in case anyone looks and is confused...
  12. Thanks! Nice piece - I must have another go at it! The other James Fitton? He can't be that renowned because I've never heard of him...😎 My dad was from Oldham - Featherstall Road (though I don't know if Featherstall Road still exists...).
  13. 'I only listen to Irish and English folk music'. In that case, that's all you'll hear. Try searching for other genres of music... Try SoundCloud as well... 'That's all?' No, if you buy a concertina, you'll be limited only by your own ingenuity and imagination...
  14. Can't speak for anyone else, but I've been a fan of the Coppers and Peter Bellamy and that very special style of singing since 'Noah built the Ark'! Supplementary: Are you by any chance, the same James Fitton who composed 'Rainbow Jigs'?
  15. (1) The Copper Family singing Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy This is, I think, the track from the recording cited in my post. (1a) A bonus. The late, great, Peter Bellamy singing Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy. Again, I think this is a track from one of the recordings I cited. (2) I agree those B-flats sound a little peculiar, but the ABC is (quite deliberately) a rendering of the score as presented as in the book (except that the 'voice overlay' is presented as a separate 2nd voice). The PDF is the output produced by that ABC code. The B-flat chords are 'abbreviated' to 'Bb' in the ABC I posted. In the book they are explicitly 'Bbmaj'. Whether Bmin or something else is intended, I don't know. (3) Neither can I - which is why I posted the music 'as encountered'. I omitted to post the complete lyrics. Here they are: W:Here's adieu, sweet lovely Nancy, ten thousand times adieu, W:I'm a-going around the ocean, love, to seek for something new. W:Come change your ring with me, dear girl, W:Come change your ring with me, W:For it might be a token of true love while I am on the sea. W: W:When I am far upon the sea you knows not where I am. W:Kind letters I will write to you from every foreign land. W:The secrets of your heart, dear girl, W:Are the best of my good will, W:So let my body be where it might, my heart is with you still. W: W:There's a heavy storm a-rising, see how it gather round, W:While we poor sailors are on the sea, are fighting for the crown. W:There is nothing to protect us love, W:Or to keep us from the cold, W:On the ocean wide, where we must bide like jolly seamen bold. W: W:There are tinkers, tailors and shoemakers, lie snoring in their sleep, W:While we poor souls on the ocean wide are ploughing through the deep. W:Our officer commanding us W:And them we must obey. W:Expecting every moment for to get cast away W: W:But when the wars are all over there'll be peace on every shore, W:We will drink to our wives and our children and the girls that we adore. W:We'll call for liquor merrily, W:And spend our money free, W:And when our money it is all gone we'll boldly go to sea.
  16. At the risk of violating copyright, here is my first stab at the ABC for this tune: X:1 T:Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy %%video https://youtu.be/cR_6wixC2yg?t=28 C:Traditional - transcribed from: 'A Song for Every Season', Bob Copper, Paladin, 1975, 586-0822 8 O:England B:'A Song for Every Season', Bob Copper, Paladin, 1975, 586-0822 8 D:'A Song for Every Season, The Copper Family, Leader LEA 4046-9 D:'The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate, Peter Bellamy, Topic 12T200 D:'Won't You Go My Way?', Peter Bellamy, Argo ZFB 37 Z:RJH, April 2022 M:4/4 L:1/8 Q:120 %%%score 1|2 K:Dmaj V:1 DE | "D" F2 F2 F2 (EF) | "G" G4 A2 "D" (AG) | "Bb" (FE) D2 "A" E2 E2 | "D" D6 DE | "D" F2 F2 F2 (EF) | "G" G2 G2 "D" A2 (AG) | "Bb" (FE) D2 "A" E2 E2 | "D" D6 A2 | "G" B2 A2 "D" A2 d2 | A2 F2 "G" G2 A2 | "Bb" B2 A2 "G" (FE) D2 | "A" E6 DE | "D" F2 FF F2 (EF) | "G" G2 G2 "D" A2 (AG) | "Bb" (FE) D2 E2 "A" E2 | "D" D6 | V:2 DB, | D2 D2 D2 CD | D4 D2 D2 | G,2 G,2 A,2 A,2 | D6 DD | D2 D2 D2 CD | D2 D2 D2 D2 | G,2 G,2 A,2 A,2 | D6 F2 | G2 F2 D2 D2 | C2 D2 E2 F2 | G2 F2 D2 D2 | A,6 DD | D2 DD D2 A,D | D2 D2 D2 D2 |G,2 G,2 A,2 A,2 | D6 | In the book, the score utilises 'voice overlay' (in ABC terminology). I have separated the two voices in this ABC rendering. PDF attached. I think I got it right! If this is deemed to be in violation of copyright rules, I will delete... Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy.pdf
  17. There is a 3-voice ABC version of this tune in the Rude Mechanicals web site: http://www.rudemex.co.uk/library/ABC/01tunelib_abc.php There's a PDF in there somewhere as well...
  18. Thanks! Co-incidentally, I decided only yesterday that it was time I had a go at this, so I dug out the book ('A Song for Every Season', Bob Copper, Paladin, 1975, 586-0822 8 ) to start transcribing it into ABC. I now have a sound track to go with it!
  19. Everything you say is at very least completely reasonable - when it's not completely true... Myself, I found (and continue to find) the automagically generated tabs extremely useful, though they do need editing in the light of experience - and every tune is different. I've farmed out selections of tabbed tunes to four players (3 novice 'tina players, 1 whistle player), and they've all found them useful, but have 'moved on' as they've gained experience. I regard that as a 'success'. It's not my intention that folks continue to slavishly use a tool which is aimed mainly at new players. The tabs are a step along the road to learning to sight-read and/or acquiring 'by ear' playing skills. If you have a background in programming, it is a fascinating problem, worth studying if only because it streeeeeeetches one a little - even to get at a partial 'solution'. In this case, the 'project' also kept me sane (more or less😎) while confined to barracks during the coronavirus lockdowns in the U.K., and I also ended up with the bonus of a couple of other ABC-munging non-tab-related programs which are useful (to me, at least).
  20. (1) I need to brush up my knowledge of path-finding - it was always fairly limited, to be honest. (2) To clarify, I was talking about 'chords', not 'accompaniment chords', to use the ABC terminology. (3) Yeah, I think that's pretty much spot-on. (4) Your final paragraph says it all really... ________ My 'nightmare' is that whatever mapping/note-button allocation strategy you adopt, at some point you are going to get a 'rogue' note which means that you may have to back-track and 're-do' the last (say) half-dozen notes in order to get an 'optimal' set of tabs. Which also suggests the question "should I do an anticipatory 'look-forward' of a half-dozen notes as well?". I think this is probably one of those 'hard' computing problems...
  21. Are you talking about some sort of 'Travelling Salesman' type approaches here - or more general 'path finding' approaches? I wondered about 'recurrent' or 'self-training' neural networks. It works for Shogi, Go and Chess (AlphaZero), and for computer-generated folk music, but these are programming techniques about which I have no knowledge whatsoever - and I intend to keep it that way! The computer programming is 'great fun' (if you are that way inclined), but deep down, I can't help wondering if Clive Thorne's down-to-earth approach (see previous post) might not be the best approach to the 'problem'!
  22. (1) I've seen discussions on this topic by both ABC-ers and Musescore-ers. The general consensus seems to be that it's not possible to create a full Coover style harmonic tablature in the current state of development of either ABC or Musescore. I think I'm right when I say that GC does it himself by a mixture of 'by hand' and a piece of software, the name of which escapes me (GC did tell me but I can't find the email - damn!). (2) Yes! I've wasted employed some of my spare time over the last couple of years writing a few programs to munge existing ABC files in various ways - including adding simple tabs. I can do ABT-style tabs and modified Coover-style tabs (both left-and right- hand appear as a single line, rather than one above and one below). They both use simple 'mappings' using along-the-row and cross-row strategies, but as SS says, it's difficult to optimise runs of tabs. I worry myself to sleep every night trying to work out different mappings which might be better than what I already have... I can do the job for C/G, G/D and Bb/F concertinas, and can (up to a point) handle mid-tune key changes and modal keys, but I can't yet correctly handle repeated accidentals in the same bar, and don't try to tackle multi-headed notes (chords) in case I end up with a simultaneous push and pull... (3) See point (1). Writing a tool to do the job would be beyond me! (4) Yeah, I started out doing it by hand, but I found it slow tedious and error-prone. I then tried hand-editing the tabs into the ABC file - and found it slow, tedious and error prone. That's why I decided to try and automate the process. It works, and I use it, but it has the disadvantages hinted at by SS, and in point (2). It is fast though... Declaration of interest - my preferred system is the ABT system mentioned above, and I'm an (Easy)ABC-er. As an example, I've attached a PDF of a tune in Dmaj tabbed for a G/D concertina, using an along-the-row note/button mapping strategy... Edit: Oh, aye, I should have acknowledged the source of the ABC I used. It's from Paul Hardy's Tune Book... Alston Clog Hornpipe.pdf
  23. I just spotted that the link to MallyProductions in the ordering details seems to be incorrect. I think it should be: https://www.mallyproductions.com/
  24. Might be worth your while considering investing in a copy of Dave Elliot's Concertina Maintenance Manual. Even if you decide not to go down the DIY road, you'll learn a lot about concertinas by reading this excellent book. Order details here... Edit: link to Dave Mallinson's site in the ordering details seems to be incorrect. Correct details further down this thread...
  25. Nice. I found a score (in C) plus the words here.
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