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Thanks for the post. BTW which Suttner is cheaper than what ever you are comparing it to? Last I looked his prices are up 4.5 K USD and over. Thanks.

He is in Dublin Ireland. BTW Bob are you buying up ALL the Anglos for sale on the net?

Thanks Alan. When you say 'gradual', is it over a few minutes? or hours? or days/weeks of playing?

Thanks Dave, very useful reply. When out had a wee look at it, did not detect anything unusual, but I am no expert. Suspect a bit of metal came off the heel end, its new, which flattened it. However that said, I've no idea where, or how, to get a replacement tongue if it does have a crack. Mention of which, how is a crack detected? besides the obvious close magnified image? Do you use a strong light? or xray?

Going out to the first 'session' since the lockdown, it was all Guitars, a couple of Harmonicas, a Bodhrawn, and a Tenor Banjo. The event was mostly songs going around a circle. But here is the catch, there were mics and an amp. Now definitely was not pressing harder on my bellows, yet nevertheless on arriving home and doing a quick inspection, find ( Push )C 1 middle row RHS making a wee buzz, then later falling in pitch a wee bit. Check with Tuner App on my Phone, I have about 5 cent flat and an ugly sound against G 3 RHS. Too against the lower octave, very ugly! So! with what is here about this topic, and some Harmonica tuning tools, took a few licks off the tip of the offending reed. Mind you, had to put it back into the box / try out 3 times, because the tuner ok'd my first go, though the pitch would drift down on a strong bellow ( home made tuning bench )press. On the second it looked right but sounded a wee bit flat, so did another two licks over the tip. Spot on with a soft bellow, slight lowering with a strong bellow but rock solid otherwise. Back in the box this renewed 'C' is spot on with 'g' above, and the octave. It is dead on with draw 'C' LHS inside row. Had I not been following here and reading your posts, would have had a very expensive repair. So to the makers, and tweakers here, thank you each and all :0) Happy festival weekend.

If I did not work in tiny screws in other things I would not have an opinion. Well I do, and so I have. In my experience Phillips 'cross' head screws are infinitely better than slot head. Because a tool head is locked into the center and cannot slip off as would a flat spade head screw driver in a slot head screw. As to the look of it, TBH I do not think it matters as much as quality of sound. But if I were to re-design how the instrument is built, then the button / plunger is where I would make drastic changes. First of all, the button rod needs be far longer, seated in a deeper well, sprung in the well bottom with coil spring, and made of light metal/wire , not wood. Yes re-springing would then be more difficult, yet the benefit of firm travel with zero wobble, and longer lasting spring is more than enough to justify the design.

Absolutely correct! The problem it now appears, is my over sensitive hearing. So accustomed that, over time, one forgets it is there. So, no! not making any adjustments. In particular, as Wally says, a re-centered tongue likely will then foul on the chamber slot sides. Thank you for re-assuring me.

Thanks Wally :0) I am no expert, only learned a bit over the years on Harmonicas. But you are correct, if reversed the problem will be with the draw reed in the push slot. Must say, last time had to adjust a tongue, the problem, an over wide end gap making it a very air greedy reed to sound, solved with a tiny poke on the losed tang. Then used a strong back light to keep the gap tight but not too much so. It is a dreadful thing to undo those two wee screws, because one never knows if there is a low spot on the tang where the tongue wants to go back under the screw tip/s. I was lucky last time. Happily this occasion does not, at this point, warrant any action. Could be better lined up with the shoe but, then again, might be worse sounding afterwards. Old saying applies, 'ain't broke, don't fix'. Thanks for helping.

Have a couple of newish naughty steel reeds still wearing in. One, RHS push E is making an extra sound as well as the fundamental. It's like a metal pot scrape sound. Hopefully can share my MP3 of it here. The second one is the C# push on the RHS outside row. In each case included a sample of the draw E, C# to compare. In fairness to my little MP3 recorder, it doesn't quite get the full effect of the extra sound. Removed the E reed, tested on a bench blower; it does the same thing outside the instrument. Did not do that to other because it appears to be the same thing. On inspection of the E reed and shoe, it looks slightly off to one side, that is, on the long edges, the gap between frame and tongue looks to be off. A few years ago reset a reed tongue in its shoe and I hesitate to do it again. Since the reed developed its naughty habits after some time playing in, I suspect it moved in the frame over time. Any suggestions welcome. 230214_001.mp3 230214_002.mp3

Very nice book. Kindle version, now working the first tune, ' The Banshee'. Noticed on both parts reverse bellows from Push G to draw D, MR LHS 5P 3D ..it first occurs in Bar 2 first part. In other bars the same phrase occurs. I know this may not be accurate for most players, but I am 'used' to getting my low D on the push off the inside row. And it does not feel as if it is wrong - because there are two bellows changes using the book setting. Please correct me if wrong. Thanks

Yes ! both are correct. Thank you for helping.

A Happy New Year to all. Thanks for helping. The last two reels are 'The Humors Of Castlefin', and 'The Wise Maid', AKA 'The Merry Ploughboy' in some parts of Scotland. What are the names of the first two ? Thanks in advance for helping,

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Love the tunes, great playing as well. What make of Concertina do you use? Is it an Anglo? I would love to be able to play those tunes but I am no expert, still learning from Alan Day's excellent tutor. Perhaps you might consider a selection of easier tunes for beginners? Thank you again for the wonderful music, I am very impressed. Best regards ..

Well not bending notes on the Concertina, but talking about similarity between the C/G Anglo and a standard C Harmonica, or a G Harmonica. Sorry for the error.

Unusual for me to comment on such a topic, yet feel that, in this case, must. Decades of playing 'Irtrad', and folk tunes on Harmonica have taught me a great lesson; we can play a D scale tune on a diatonic tuned G instrument. So if we elect to start off with the C/G Anglo Concertina; already, with barely one cross row button, can easily play the D scale on it. Bonus, without any effort, can also play tunes in C Major, A Minor, F Major; and off of the G row, A Major, needn't mention E Minor because, well! its a pig on any system, yet a nice pig because when we get that far in, just a bit more fun. Now about the idea that G/D instrument is easier than the C/G, yes! but as mentioned above, only for a few tunes. It can be a very bad idea if our compass includes Classical, Folk, Morris, because most of that is done with the C/G. Thank you.

Over my time on CN I have read some lovely stories about the hobby. Among those a few loved so much that I saved them, and their entire thread, to my local data drive. Being the Holiday season, today meandering through it, I came upon a couple bringing back to me lovely memories of times past. So wishing all the wonderful community a joyful season, I commend to you the same.

A wise choice, great instruments, well made and supported. Thanks

You are off topic, wildly so. But I do not sink to your C&F troll level by insulting you,

12 years is a long time playing on anything! Well, you have done your research and now you want to confirm what you already know. But first, may I ask what did you want to achieve with your previous instruments besides sessioning? I ask because I have experience with other genres besides Irish folk dance music, and think that an adherence to any genre alone is narrow, rather like learning Guitar to play 'Sultans Of Swing' on TikTok. Like how many of those are there? probably thousands. So, like I see many who embraced playing the Flute, one ought to get the best quality possible on day one. IOW wasting time with an inferior quality instrument is little use when the mechanics of performance so much depend on quality of build. Nowhere is that more critical than with the free feed family. Too, accordion reeded Concertinas lose value like a new car, 30% of it as soon as you walk out the door of the shop where you bought it. OTOH Concertinas with real concertina reeds in them increase in value as time passes. Why? Well for one thing they sound miles better than the Chinese made instruments do. For another, the bellows and action is infinitely better quality; the latter is probably the most essential player difference. Yes you can learn to play fancy on a cheapo box, but you'd have learned far quicker on a new Carroll, for example, or a classic Crabb or Jeffries, not to forget the superb quality found in the Suttner instruments. Those are very, very popular in Ireland these days, and I can hear why. Then there are other makers here on this site who's work is outstanding, need I mention Colin Dipper? But if Irish trad in the US is sessioning on Phoenix and similar, hey go with the flow :0). For my part I also love Morris and folk singing with the Anglo backing it. So those types would not pass the test of sounding, even closely, like the classic English built instrument. Good luck.

Thank you Wally. I can now publish Noel Hill's layout on my Flicker page :0)

Thank you Wally. That explains Noel Hill's recommended layout very well. Below my reading of your directions, which may save some typing.

Thank you Wally, this is what I suspected of makers model button layout.

Several sites mention this but do not actually diagram it. So what is the Irish version of Jeffries button layout? I attach three diagrams I made from reading comments about it and wonder which is 'Irish layout' correct. Secondly one author states he used Neol Hill's button layout, so what is that? Thanks.

That's the whole answer! Thank you.