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1903 instrument now on ebay if anyone is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181388340282

It has been quite awhile since our original inquiry concerning these concertinas. Thanks to everyone who provided feedback. We are following up to say we have placed the concertina dated 1900 on ebay if anyone is interested.--Thanks http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181264251014

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Hi, I am adding a few more pictures due to the inquiries I have received over the last few days. Again I want to thank you all for your responses.

Then it's possible -- uncommon, but not unheard of even with our own "normal" concertinas -- that a reed or reeds are tuned to notes other than what's marked on them. And that would make much more sense than having an extra (and out of place) C# and its corresponding C natural completely missing. We are about an hour north of NY city and at this point would need time to consider your proposal. Well, my "proposal" is simply that somebody knowledgeable evaluate your instruments, not from a price standpoint, but from a mechanical and musical standpoint. If I were still living in the area (I'm now an ocean away), I would simply offer to hop in my car and come take a look, with no charge and no obligation. Just because I'm curious. And there are many with the same attitude here on concertina.net. Also, if you name your town (I guess your "ny" means NY State), we might well find someone useful/helpful who lives closer to you than NYC. Good luck. Then it's possible -- uncommon, but not unheard of even with our own "normal" concertinas -- that a reed or reeds are tuned to notes other than what's marked on them. And that would make much more sense than having an extra (and out of place) C# and its corresponding C natural completely missing. We are about an hour north of NY city and at this point would need time to consider your proposal. Well, my "proposal" is simply that somebody knowledgeable evaluate your instruments, not from a price standpoint, but from a mechanical and musical standpoint. If I were still living in the area (I'm now an ocean away), I would simply offer to hop in my car and come take a look, with no charge and no obligation. Just because I'm curious. And there are many with the same attitude here on concertina.net. Also, if you name your town (I guess your "ny" means NY State), we might well find someone useful/helpful who lives closer to you than NYC. Good luck. Jim, I understood your "proposal" clearly. At this point we are researching these instruments. I do not choose to post my actual address, but thank you for the suggestion.

I'm still not clear as to whether you're getting these note names from the sounds made, or simply reading them from the reed "frames". If the latter, it's quite possible that a reed that's marked C# (:C) has actually been tuned to a C natural pitch. Your location says you're in "ny". If that's New York City, how about one of our members in the area or with knowledgeable friends in The City arrange for a meeting to evaluate this oddity/treasure "in person"? The notes themselves are stamped on each reed. We are about an hour north of NY city and at this point would need time to consider your proposal.-Damian

Hi Daniel I've sent you a PM message with some further thoughts from Neil Wayne on these instruments Thank you I have recently communicated with Neil via email.-Damian

Here is the button layout for the 1903 concertina the left side the right side F H F H F H F :F C ;F C ;F C ;F ;D A ;D A ;D A ;D E ;A E ;A E ;A E ;C G ;C G ;C G ;C D ;G D ;G D ;G D I double checked the key pattern on the 1900 concertina ,and found that it was not a mistake.There is one :c note in that layout.Thank you again for all the responses

Will have to check again to make sure I did not transcribe the :C incorrectly. Again I regret that my musical abilities are limited. I do know that both concertinas play, but whether they are on key or not is a mystery to me. I believe I need to locate an individual in my area who may be able to shed some light on the quality of sound/tuning and restoration cost/value on each.

Hi, Here are the notes as they appear on the wood concertina dated 1900. The notes are shown from the top row of keys down for each side of the instrument. I have included a picture of the inside of each. I don't believe they are very useful and will take more later. Thank you all for your responses.

Hi, Unfortunately I have no particular talent or knowledge when it comes to music. I can see the letters indicating the musical notes on the reeds but am confused by the markings next to some. There appears to be 2 dots preceding some of the notes ( example :G ) What does this mean for the note? I will try to take some decent pictures of the reed construction and post the note layout when time allows.-Thanks

Thank you for your response blue eyed sailor. Yes, I do know they belong to the Concertina family, and this forum was suggested based on input I have received. I apologize for not uploading pics earlier and have added a few now.

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me identify two vintage Concertinas. Both are 42 button, one is dated 1900 the other 1903. On the inside one is stamped Burger Karoly the other one is hand signed with the same name. Each has two labels on the outside which read Budapest the year and another label which reads Burger K Hangszeresz. One is amboyna ended. Any information would be greatly appreciated-Thanks Damian