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  1. Do you use the drill press as an arbor press and push the whole way through or just mark the leather?
  2. I'm always interested in hearing what others are using. I used spray on contact adhesive based on some other comments here at C.net
  3. Excellent. Although a small diameter drill bit is less likely to drift in Delrin than in wood when making this, I think this could be done with a piece of wood as well.
  4. I have no doubt that would work given sufficient wattage and a belt that would lay flat. The one at the university where my son works did a wonderful job cutting out the finger joints for two concertina cases I made. Did you actually cut some beads with a laser cutter? If so, I'd be interested in seeing how they came out. If I were doing the entire instrument I might consider having him run off a batch for me.
  5. Dave, that's probably the easier way to do it and as dumb as it sounds, I just hadn't considered doing it that way. I'll have to try that and see how I make out. I also discovered the reason I couldn't upload the images. There's a lifetime limit of uploads of about 11Mb and I've hit it. I hate to delete images from some of my ancient posts because they're a reference for others. The alternative is to put images on an external site and link to them, but photos at those places also some times are deleted making some previous posts useless.
  6. Is chipboard the same as something like the thin cardboard that comes in new dress shirts or that's used in gift boxes? I had thought about using those. Both of those alternatives have at least one shiny white surface. It's possible that they aren't that way in other parts of the world. The single layer of poster board is working OK for the pads that I did make although laminating two pieces of the .017" thick poster board would make these closer to the height of the original pads.
  7. I think Mike Pierceall did it the way you describe, drilling the hole first and then centering the punch around the hole. It worked for him. I was using Window's PowerToys resizer and the "medium" resized images were 100k to 190k. It wouldn't even let me post the first one, telling me that the image exceeded the 30k limit.
  8. That's what I have for the larger pads. They are not very sharp and would benefit from a sharpening. Also, there is a jump from 1/2" to 5/8" and the set would benefit from a 9/16" punch for concertina work. In an old post, Mike Pierceall mentions making a punch from a piece of pipe. As I thought about it this evening after having cut the 'sides' off of a 5/8" pad to fit one of the oval holes in my instrument, I don't see any reason why the pads have to be round. They're probably round because it was a convenient way for the factory to produce lots of pads and round cutting dies probably being easier to make than square ones, but for a one-off, I don't see why the pads couldn't be square or rectangular and it would avoid having to buy punches altogether. At this point I'm making mine round because I'm only making a few pads and I want them to be similar to what's in the instrument, but if I were doing all of the pads, I'd consider making them rectangular. It would be a lot easier to cut them in bulk with a straight edge and a razor knife.
  9. I didn't find much here on how to make the leather beads that connect the arms to the pads. This is what I came up with. The beads on my Edeophone measure about 3/16" diameter and the hole in the old bead is about .063". A #52 wire size drill makes the right sized hole. I used a 3/16" punch to make plugs from an old belt. Now - how to hold the leather plug to drill a hole through it longitudinally. Hmmm. I clamped two pieces of wood next to each other and put a hinge on one end so I could open and close the two pieces, sort of like a nut cracker. Next, at the crack between the two pieces I drilled a 3/16" hole into the wood to a depth of the belt thickness. It was too loose and the plug spun when I tried to drill it. In the end a #16 drill made the right undersized hole to keep it from spinning most times. With a #52 drill bit centered over the plug I got about a 50% success rate with a fair number of off center holes in the plugs. Those little drills tend to wander when starting the hole and bend enough in the leather that the holes wander to the side. The plugs still occasionally spun even with a light feed on the drill. Drilling from one side, flipping it over and drilling from the other side helped a little, along with a light pecking feed but it was slow and the success rate still was no better than 50%. What worked was to make a drill guide to center the drill and compress the leather from the top. I used a 3/8" dia cylindrical piece of aluminum with a short section at one end slightly smaller in diameter than the hole in the wooden "vise" and a hole through this guide to center the #52 drill. In practice, I put a clamp to hold the wooden vise closed, and with my hand I firmly push the drill guide down on the plug in the wooden clamp and then slowly drill through the bead. The drill stays pretty well centered and I don't think the plugs are spinning at all. There is a little tear out at the far end but that can be nipped off with wire cutters or a razor blade if you want. It would probably be lessened if I slowed the rate at which I advanced the drill bit. How do you make beads?
  10. I'm not on Instagram and am hesitant to have yet another company tracking my viewing in order to sell me stuff. Can you post the photos here?
  11. I had initially thought I'd need to purchase a whole skin in order to do all the valves but I did a quick calculation and I think a 6x12" (15x30 cm) piece would do it. If all the pads were .625" (16mm) in diameter, I could get between 160 and 170 pads from that sheet, assuming each circle touched. Not all pads are 16 mm, some are 14 mm and a few seem to be 15 mm so I should be able to get more than 160 out of a single sheet.
  12. What characteristics of the felt are important for the pads? Is there a specific felt that you look for? The felt I have is of unknown origin, but since most of the felt I've seen in stores is made of polyester, that's probably what it is. I believe someone here at concertina.net mentioned that JoAnn Fabrics (U.S.) carries wool felt, but I haven't been there to confirm that it's available locally. With regard to the pneumatic leather, is there a reason for preferring the medium over the thicker leather?
  13. Well, my goose is cooked for the bowing / air valves since I have the chamois already, but even though it's over .030 thick I should have enough room for these. When you buy a skin, what thickness or thicknesses do you use for your pads?
  14. I'm considering repadding two instruments, and 56 button Edeophone Tenor Treble and a 48 button Wheatstone English treble. I wanted to try my hand at pad making for my Edeophone's bowing / air valve because it was leaking terribly. This is intended to be a quick experiment so I bought a chamois (.032-.036" thick), a piece of poster board (.017" thick) and have some craft felt of unknown parentage that's about .080" / 2mm thick. Having said that I've also been doing a little looking on this site to find the proper materials. I live about 2 hours from Columbia organ supply so I could run down there and pick the skin myself, but what to buy. Here are my choices at Columbia: https://www.columbiaorgan.com/columbia-leather-home/products/leather-skins/#valve_leather My guess is that the first item in the list CPL Columbia Pneumatic Leather is the type I need, but it comes in different thicknesses. Thin, about .011" thick, Medium, about .015" thick, Heavy, about .019" thick, Extra Heavy, about .024" thick and Valve leather about .030" thick. Is this the right leather? What thickness are you using? I know from some of the posts here that people have gotten away with using chamois from the auto parts store, and in David Pierceall's case, an old leather coat. A skin would cost me $60 to $90 US dollars, so I don't want to buy something I don't really need. Is there a noticeable difference in air tightness between an auto parts chamois and pneumatic leather? Lets deal with the leather first. I also have questions about the felt, card, sampers and beads that I'll ask when I see your thoughts on the leather.
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