I bought a Rochelle and played it for about a month while I was waiting for my Norman to arrive. It's a very serviceable little instrument and great to learn on. It is in like-new condition. $275.00 plus shipping. I can send photos if you'd like.

Lisa

I thought used Rochelles were going for $200. Even new. Otherways you can always buy brand new for $330. Would Bear (are you reading this?) be interested in this instrument? I'd go for it. Better then tinkering with Hohner. Why don't you guys work out payment in installments option?

What's that based on? I don't recall seeing a used Rochelle sell that cheap. Unlike the higher-priced Stagis, they don't seem to lose much value when they go from new to lightly used from what I have seen.

I think Button Box had a used one they were selling for 275, so that may be the going rate. May have been 250, it was a few months back.

So, c'mon Bear.
Food is over-rated.

There was one on Craig's list, went for $200. I bought one used too.
Then what's the reason to buy used for $275, when new is $330?

It's cheaper. Duuhhh!

It's up to 335 now, or so, before you tack on shipping. From what I've seen at least. It's like 1/5 off the new price.

It's "penny smart". How much of a trouble you buy when you save a whopping $60?
Give me a break! No upgrade program, no return, no fixing, no advice - stupendous economy!

There is value in getting a concertina that has been PLAYED by someone for a while and found to be in good working order. Fresh out of the box from china is more of a gamble even if it is given a cursory going over by the seller. After playing it a month you would know if it has problems.

I felt like $275 was a fair price for a barely used instrument. I paid $330 plus (I believe it was $25.00) shipping. There is always dickering too. . . Maybe I'd include shipping. . .

And yes, I'd do a payment arrangement with someone. I played this Rochelle while I was doing a payment plan for my Norman.

Thought I'd start here first. E-bay next week.

Lisa

We're talking about Rochelle, not your average Chinese crap. There is absolutely no value in buying used Rochelle, except for the price.

You can try to sell it at any price you want. I just would like Bear, who got burned on cheap Hoher, to pay attention to your ad, but I don't think your price is very attractive to him yet. I personally wouldn't bother, unless the Rochelle will go at $170-200. Try ebay and see, if the market at large will support your price. I'm curious myself.

Where did you get the idea that Rochelles never have problems?

Nowhere. But where did you get the idea that used Rochelle will have less problem? Fixing is an ongoing affair, and if you are not tinker, you are better off buying from maker, with many benefits stemming from it. $60 saving on a $300 instrument is not such a great deal, to my opinion.

$60 saving on a $300 instrument is not such a great deal, to my opinion.
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Where I live $60 is the better part of a days wages and a Rochelle costs a weeks pay.

Your posts sound as though you think I'm trying to dupe someone.

Actually, Rochelles never come "fresh out of the box from China". On arrival at Spokane, they are first checked over by Wim Wakker's wife Karen (who makes their own concertinas with him), and then by Wim, before they are even sent out to the dealer. I know that this is so because I recently visited them in the middle of this process. Indeed, even the manufacture is supervised by someone working for Wim in China.

M,

Here don't you really mean 'tinkerer' as in the noun usage of the word tinker? Also defined here.. If Lisa wants to sell her concertina for a mere $275 by all means let her do it. This thread was started in the Buy & Sell section of the forum wasn't it?

Good luck Lisa,

Dan

Sure, Lisa can set any price she wants.
I was only surprised by the asking sum, as I have never seen Rochelles actually been bought used for such amounts. I was watching used Jackies (and Rochelles as a "bi-product") and the prices for sold ones never exceeded $250, be it week's pay or hour's pay. There was one recently sold on Graig's list for $200. I sold my Jack for $150-ish.
No I don't think Lisa wants to dupe somebody, just sometimes people set unrealistic prices.
I mean, it may be very attractive by standards, where Lisa lives, but on a Word's Forum saving may not be so obvious.
P.S.
Yes, I meant tinkerer.

Surely if it sells - it's a realistic price, if it doesn't sell - it's not. It's for the market to decide.

They do, but there's a guy in Dublin who has new Rochelles priced at Euro 350 (US $550), and he's selling them - I was told last night by somebody who bought one off him!

Whilst I'm selling them here in Clare for the recommended price of Euro 265...


Yep.

Why would m3838 try to queer the sale? What is it to him?
Does he think he's doing anybody a kindness by trying to ruin the sale?
He should keep his opinion to himself and not ruin Lisa's chance of selling the instrument.
A saving of $60-75 might not matter to him but it does to many people.
It does to me.
Here's this young woman selling a perfectly good concertina and a bully comes along and butts in,
publicly telling people it's overpriced and not worth it.
I know it's a public forum and a person can say anything he wants,
but this was just mean-spirited.
Definitely not helpful.

Well said.

"Definitely not helpful."



Hello


I agree as well. I think it is a matter of etiquette. A listing for sale is not an invitiation for debate usually. What something is worth is what someone will pay!

Other areas of discussion in the forum usually are an invitiation for debate . It improves the discussion when meaningful differences, points of view, and facts are revealed, but I don't think every event that results in a twinge to respond produces a constructive meaningful addition to these on going conversations. In public we weigh what we say and edit out some things that cross our minds that don't contribute meaningfully, or that reveal how odd we may be, usually the latter!

R

I agree with you.
I'm sure you know the instrument is perfectly good.
I also agree that "I" shold keep my opinion to myself, and "you" should not. I also agree with you, that if saving $60 is worthy to you, losing $270 is not. (which would be the case in buying used Rochelle and getting yourself rid off upgrade program from Concertina Connection).
I am so freaking morally rotten.
But if I do think asking price is a bit too high, should I keep quiet or lie?
Obviously not helpful.
I may be out of date with my information though. I'm very surprized at prices in Ireland.
Why would people even bother?

This is delightfully entertaining.

I love all you concertina crazed people.


randy

"But if I do think asking price is a bit too high, should I keep quiet or lie? "


Since you offer....What is the least you would accept to do that.

R

Subtle.

In the parts of my abode, with Bob Tedrow, The Button Box, Smythe Accordions and directly Concertina Connection offer new Rochelles at $330, I personally would bother to buy used at $200 max, if ever. A good price or used Jackie or Jack would be $170 -ish, but Anglo is probably more popular. Any saving of the size of tank of gas for an instrument is not worthy talking about. It's not dinner at a restorant, it's an instrument to stick with. If you have your Rochelle for 2-3 years, then upgrade, it's appx 0.3 cents a day. Having saved $60 on a purchase, it's 0.25 cents a day, but with no upgrade.
If you kept your Rochelle only for one year, it's respectively 0.9 and 0.7 cents a day.
Mesuring it's therapeutic effect against medical bills lowers the cost per day even more.
So practically if one is so poor that Rochelle is an investment, saving one cent a day will bring brand new instrument in only one year, plus some nice bottle of Coppola to selebrate the arrival. And I say, live big, save 10 cents a day!

Once again this is just one more of your negative opinions, which is most inappropriate in the Buy and Sell Forum.

The point is m3838, it is not your sale so why should you poke your nose in, unless of course you wish to buy the instrument and if this is the case simply make an offer and be done.

It is very selfish of you to hijack this thread.

Tony, why is it your business, but not mine?
So, in your opinion, if I wanted to buy it for less, and worked up such a brilliant campagne, it's OK? I simply suggested that the price may be a bit high and explained why. All who joined in, including you, contributed to thread been hijacked, is it not?
Really I can't care less about some sale been successful, if the price is too high. For each such sale there is one customer. Ask Bear.
Someone sold him a Hohner. And to your logic, if I knew about it, I should keep my nose up "my" butt. You wish.
Actually I made a typo. I meant 0.9 dollars a day, not cents. Sorry about that.
Still, only 1 saved dollar a day will bring you brand new instrument in less than a year.
With good incentives.
By all means, sell and buy for whatever you want, but don't expect it to be sacred.
Not happy? - don't join in. Having said that, by all means, please join in.

Hi Lisa,
if you upload pictures you may get this back on track and people can take their debate elsewhere. Good luck.

If you can’t see that then you’re also blind.

Hi Lisa,
if you upload pictures you may get this back on track and people can take their debate elsewhere. Good luck.

Just an observation for any potential buyers with regard to the Concertina Connection upgrade program.

I don't know what criteria Wim uses for deciding which Rochelles do and don't qualify for the upgrade deal - e.g. whether you have to be the original purchaser or not, but at worst you are only potentially losing out on an upgrade discount if you decide to purchase another Concertina Connection instrument. I have tried a couple of their more expensive Anglos and they are excellent instruments, yet for my personal wants a Norman was preferable - so I had no opportunity to take advantage of the upgrade discount with my Rochelle. The posts by m3838 also seem to imply that if you don't benefit from Wim's upgrade program you will lose all your money, and yet by his own admission you can re-sell the Rochelle later for at least $200 so the only real "risk" is at most $75.

Also FYI the Button Box is selling one used at the moment for $300.

Exactly! Woody.

I had the opportunity to purchase a D/G Norman, which is the preferred key for Morris music. The Norman I had tried a few years back was soooooo nice! It was listed at a good price and the seller allowed me to pay over time, for which I will be eternally greatful. I think Homewood and Button Box and Wim all have outstanding instruments and the trade in option is great. But I HAD to HAVE that Norman!

Yes, you are right. So forget the trade-in program. (yes, you have to be original buyer).
What's left of my argument, is going prices from real buys, not bold lables.

Which means I'm out of date completely, or the Button Box' one will be for sale for quite a while, untill inflation will make $300 sound like a steal.
When it will be sold at asking price, then it'll mean something. Namely, that new Rochelles will be sold at some $400 plus, if Wim will still be in business.

Hi Lisa,
If you upload pictures you may get this back on track and people can take their debate elsewhere. Good luck. Alternatively, why don't you re-post your for sale listing and leave the folk here to carry on their rivetting discussion on concertina values and interference morals.................

My Normans a G/D as well - lovely instrument.

Hi Paul,

I'll probably wait a while and then re-post with pictures. Who knows, maybe the Universe just wants me to keep this Rochelle for some reason! Perhaps some young local will get interested and I'll have another Anglo player within 100 miles of me. Thanks for you efforts to redirect this back to a buy and sell forum : )

Lisa

Actually there are discussions on Buy and Sell threads around the spectrum of musical instruments, latest was on Melodeon.net. People openly question asked prices. You seem to be bothered with it.
It's a free public forum, not personal ad paid for.
But you are probably right, since you are better than me.
Your kindness produced several epithets you awarded me with:
Bully, poking my nose into it, blind, selfish, accusation of canning.
It's not severe enough, for such hideous crime as questioning the asking price.
Keep it up, it's most helpful.

m3838 said:



I think that's a great idea.

Perhaps as Lisa is abandoning this thread, it would be better if the rest of us did the same. It's unlikely that arguing is going to achieve much except raising some posters' blood pressure and perhaps shortening their stay on this earth.

Aren't we breaking some simple rules?
One thing is to discuss some price on some offered inexpencive instrument, and have argumented disagreements, another is resorting to dirty suggestions, that belong to "Look at my Tits" forum.
And I thought ITM doesn't harbor such aspirations.

To reply to M3838s last post it may be better to go here:
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...;f=4&t=7790

It may reduce the sabotage effect on the sale.

The thing is that I doubt it's done any harm at all. Here's Misha stirring it, yes, but anyone reading the thread would quickly see that the overriding consensus has been that Lisa is not being unreasonable in her quoting price, and that the Russian is being a bit naughty* on this one. Of course a buyer would know that, as it's a private sale, he might manage to knock her down a bit as well, so I don't think there's anything there to put off a would-be buyer who comes to it cold.

In the meantime 'Rochelle For Sale' has had a good run on the top of the discussion board, not vanishing into the forgotten past like most For Sale ads. On balance I think it's done more good that harm.

Shame it hasn't sold anyway, Lisa; you must have posted it when there's a shortage of new boys.

*Don't bother to comment on that Misha, because I won't rise.

I say, this does make shopping here zesty! I don't know of many forums where such a row ensues over a net difference of $75.

It may be free for you, but it isn't "free for all".

Lisa will be expected to pay for her advertisement if it is successful.

What, Misha?????

Can I hope to collect my fee for making Lisa's ad so spectacular?
I already have a cue of customers (nah, just bluffing, but one can dream, right?)

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Funny you should mention it. . . . I was wondering what the total bill would be if all the hours spent typing and cogitating replies was calculated and billed at $20.00 per hour. Perhaps we should all go into business together to do debates for folks on their sales websites! Misha especially, or it would never fly