[ofearghail7]

I have no choice but to sell this lovely Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends. number 407. located in ireland. bought recently for 5600. i will accept 5400. four year waiting list at the moment. Can ring me on +353 (0) 872800980 or send me an email.

[s2maur]

ofearghail7,

Is the price for this Suttner in GBP, Euro, US Dollar or some other monetary standard?

Is this a special order A2 since Suttner's Catalogue shows the A2 is either a 30 or 32 button? I once had an A2 that was a 31b where the extra button was a drone. Is this the case with this one? What are the note placements for the first two buttons on the right hand accidental row?

Steve

[tombilly]

ofearghail7, on Jun 17 2009, 05:06 AM, said:

I have no choice but to sell this lovely Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends. number 407. located in ireland. bought recently for 5600. i will accept 5400.

A Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends is currently Euro 3990, according to his website, as far as I can see. That's a huge difference!!

[Azalin]

tombilly, on Jun 18 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

ofearghail7, on Jun 17 2009, 05:06 AM, said:

I have no choice but to sell this lovely Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends. number 407. located in ireland. bought recently for 5600. i will accept 5400.

A Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends is currently Euro 3990, according to his website, as far as I can see. That's a huge difference!!

For many Euro 1400 is a small price to pay to avoid waiting 4 years... It would be too high of a price to me, I'm so broke.

[David Levine]

It's about a Euro a day to avoid a four year wait. About an extra €350 a year. If you're a serious player that isn't very much to pay. If you're happy with your Stagi or your Rochelle, then paying that much might seem insane. Edgleys and Morses are very good instruments indeed, and great value. But there's a difference to my ears -- and to my fingers -- between a top-end concertina and the hybrids or mid-level Lachenals. If you've been playing for a number of years then compared to a Wheatstone or a Jeffries for a lot more than €5,400, this seems like a very good deal.

[Snorre]

Hmmm....I am about to order my 38 b from Suttner.......tempting though. Good luck.

[Fergus_fiddler]

Too late, I already ordered my Suttner. I don't have the cash, anyway!

Cheers,

Fer

[tombilly]

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

[Snorre]

tombilly, on Jun 19 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

Hmmm.....seems to me that the growing waiting lists indicating that more and more people are entering the market for high end instruments, and the market can't respond. Who knows how much a Dipper or a Suttner is worth 10-15 years after the maker has stopped making them?

[Fergus_fiddler]

tombilly, on Jun 19 2009, 04:01 AM, said:

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

Indeed. We're living in the times of 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now'. I reckon that, even if I had the money, I wouldn't buy it now. It's because I think that I still don't deserve it.

So, in the next years, I'll keep squeezing my Morse 'till my Suttner arrives; and I'm sure that it would make me appreciate a lot mor such a fine instrument - was more or less that happened switching from my Stagi to the Morse, despite the fact that the Stagi was almost unplayable -.

Cheers,

Fer

[pjhrn]

Snorre, on Jun 19 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

tombilly, on Jun 19 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

Hmmm.....seems to me that the growing waiting lists indicating that more and more people are entering the market for high end instruments, and the market can't respond. Who knows how much a Dipper or a Suttner is worth 10-15 years after the maker has stopped making them?

[pjhrn]

pjhrn, on Jun 24 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

Snorre, on Jun 19 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

tombilly, on Jun 19 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

Hmmm.....seems to me that the growing waiting lists indicating that more and more people are entering the market for high end instruments, and the market can't respond. Who knows how much a Dipper or a Suttner is worth 10-15 years after the maker has stopped making them?

[Paul Read]

pjhrn, on Jun 24 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

pjhrn, on Jun 24 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

Snorre, on Jun 19 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

tombilly, on Jun 19 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

People seem to accept some sort of assumption that (good) musical instruments will always rise in value - like the proverbial property market here in Ireland!! I can see why Lachenals or Jeffries instruments might rise in value - they don't make them anymore but the general norm with new used equipment is that it falls in value. You can still have a Suttner or Dipper or whatever made and what's a few years between friends

Hmmm.....seems to me that the growing waiting lists indicating that more and more people are entering the market for high end instruments, and the market can't respond. Who knows how much a Dipper or a Suttner is worth 10-15 years after the maker has stopped making them?

Go on, you can do it.......

[Woody]

tombilly, on Jun 18 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

ofearghail7, on Jun 17 2009, 05:06 AM, said:

I have no choice but to sell this lovely Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends. number 407. located in ireland. bought recently for 5600. i will accept 5400.

A Suttner A2 31 button C/G with ebony ends is currently Euro 3990, according to his website, as far as I can see. That's a huge difference!!

If you don't think that it's worth it, don't buy it.

[David Levine]

We're living in the times of 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now'. I reckon that, even if I had the money, I wouldn't buy it now.

You might not "buy it now" if you're young and there's the mortgage and car-payments and kids to go to college. But if you're on the other side of fifty and the kids are grown, the house is paid for, you've some money saved up and you've got how many good years of playing time left -- then how can you put a value on having a fine instrument for as many playing years as you've left?

I think that I still don't deserve it.

Well, you may not deserve it -- though I don't know what "deserve" has to do with it. But I don't think you should imply that somebody who's willing to spend that money is part of a greedy, consumer-oriented society that drives huge cars and has big credit card debt.

[Larryo]

David Levine, on Jun 25 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

We're living in the times of 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now'. I reckon that, even if I had the money, I wouldn't buy it now.

You might not "buy it now" if you're young and there's the mortgage and car-payments and kids to go to college. But if you're on the other side of fifty and the kids are grown, the house is paid for, you've some money saved up and you've got how many good years of playing time left -- then how can you put a value on having a fine instrument for as many playing years as you've left?

I think that I still don't deserve it.

Well, you may not deserve it -- though I don't know what "deserve" has to do with it. But I don't think you should imply that somebody who's willing to spend that money is part of a greedy, consumer-oriented society that drives huge cars and has big credit card debt.

Wow David, I think that is an unbelievable comment ! I read it and because I have been following this thread, couldn't remember seeing that being said !! I looked back twice to see where anyone had implied anything of the sort and sure enough nobody has. Beside there being no such implication, if someone feels they don't deserve something,for whatever reason, then that is their choice.I always find it interesting that those who buy and sell instruments can always find a good reason why someone should buy an instrument

[David Levine]

Larryo-- I thought that We're living in the times of 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now' implied that if somebody wants to pay more for an instrument than if he waited in the queue he'd be buying into the 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now' value system. Consumerism. How else would you read that?

What is your point here: I always find it interesting that those who buy and sell instruments can always find a good reason why someone should buy an instrument. Are you trolling? What did you mean by the comment?

I really don't give a damn if somebody buys this Suttner or not. There will always be a buyer for a good instrument. Sellers of good instruments don't have to find a good reason why someone should buy a top quality concertina. The instrument itself is the reason to buy it.

[Larryo]

David Levine, on Jun 25 2009, 07:31 PM, said:

Larryo-- I thought that We're living in the times of 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now' implied that if somebody wants to pay more for an instrument than if he waited in the queue he'd be buying into the 'I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now' value system. Consumerism. How else would you read that?

What is your point here: I always find it interesting that those who buy and sell instruments can always find a good reason why someone should buy an instrument. Are you trolling? What did you mean by the comment?

I really don't give a damn if somebody buys this Suttner or not. There will always be a buyer for a good instrument. Sellers of good instruments don't have to find a good reason why someone should buy a top quality concertina. The instrument itself is the reason to buy it.

Maybe the seller doesn't and won't if a bit of rationalisation is needed, but people thinking of spending a lot of money( and please let us not go to the "what is a lot of money" thing) on instruments or indeed anything, whether good bad or indifferent, sometimes do have to find good reasons for doing so.So say for example I have a Suttner and I see a Dipper for sale and have the money, do I not need to ask myself"do I need this instrument?", is there something else that needs looking after etc ??Maybe someone can say "yes that is a great instrument, it is worth the money, but right now I don't deserve it because....I have other financial commitments...I am not good enough to warrant spending the money etc. I actually respected the reason given originally -I will stick with my Morse etc etc.
As for being older, no matter what age one is, unless extremely wealthy, there are always things requiring financial input whether it be a house which needs maintenance etc, which will beg the questions such as should I be spending money on this instrument, regardless of it's quality, and so yes the buyer sometimes does have to find good reasons other than it's a good instrument.
As for "trolling", what does that mean?? Maybe it means commenting on people who for their own private reasons feel they don't deserve something? Anyway I am not interested in getting into this.I gave my opinion, you gave your's. End of story- for me anyway.