[Daniel Hersh]

Here. I would assume that this is for the Maccann. I thought that someone here might be interested.

Daniel

[Stephen Chambers]

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 7 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

I would assume that this is for the Maccann.

Daniel,

Yes, it most certainly is for the Maccann duet, of which Ernest Rutterford was a superb player, but as I commented elsewhere recently, Wheatsone's would never use Maccann's name for what they saw as originally their system!

This post has been edited by Stephen Chambers: 07 June 2009 - 08:29 AM

[Irene S]

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 7 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Here. I would assume that this is for the Maccann. I thought that someone here might be interested.

Daniel

The fourth edition of the publication is, of course, also available to download/print off etc at http://www.concertin...or-FourthEd.pdf

[Daniel Hersh]

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't been aware of it.

Irene S, on Jun 8 2009, 05:48 AM, said:

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 7 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Here. I would assume that this is for the Maccann. I thought that someone here might be interested.

Daniel

The fourth edition of the publication is, of course, also available to download/print off etc at http://www.concertin...or-FourthEd.pdf

[Irene S]

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 8 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't been aware of it.

Happy to be of service

[Chris Drinkwater]

Irene S, on Jun 8 2009, 01:48 PM, said:

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 7 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Here. I would assume that this is for the Maccann. I thought that someone here might be interested.

Daniel

The fourth edition of the publication is, of course, also available to download/print off etc at http://www.concertin...or-FourthEd.pdf

Yes, but there's nothing like having a copy of the original tutor.

Chris

[Stephen Chambers]

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 12:13 AM, said:

Yes, but there's nothing like having a copy of the original tutor.

My "inner librarian" couldn't agree more!

Only, I have a copy of the same 5th edition, revised 1946, that's on eBay, but the auction illustration (which is of the original title page) looks a bit odd to me, in that it's been heavily cropped, the paper is too white and the printing too coarse - kind of like a photocopy maybe???.

[Chris Drinkwater]

Stephen Chambers, on Jun 9 2009, 12:41 AM, said:

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 12:13 AM, said:

Yes, but there's nothing like having a copy of the original tutor.

My "inner librarian" couldn't agree more!

Only, I have a copy of the same 5th edition, revised 1946, that's on eBay, but the auction illustration (which is of the original title page) looks a bit odd to me, in that it's been heavily cropped, the paper is too white and the printing too coarse - kind of like a photocopy maybe???.

Ooh, er, Stephen, that's put the cat among the pigeons. Better email the seller and ask him if it is the genuine original or a facsimile. On the other hand, the same seller is selling two other concertina tutors, which appear to be the genuine originals.


Chris

[Irene S]

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 01:05 AM, said:

Stephen Chambers, on Jun 9 2009, 12:41 AM, said:

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 12:13 AM, said:

Yes, but there's nothing like having a copy of the original tutor.

My "inner librarian" couldn't agree more!

Only, I have a copy of the same 5th edition, revised 1946, that's on eBay, but the auction illustration (which is of the original title page) looks a bit odd to me, in that it's been heavily cropped, the paper is too white and the printing too coarse - kind of like a photocopy maybe???.

Ooh, er, Stephen, that's put the cat among the pigeons. Better email the seller and ask him if it is the genuine original or a facsimile. On the other hand, the same seller is selling two other concertina tutors, which appear to be the genuine originals.


Chris

Have to admit to agreeing about having a real copy... and also that the photograph looks as if it's framed in some way - it doesn't actually look like a photograph of a book - more like just one page.

[Stephen Chambers]

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 01:05 AM, said:

Better email the seller and ask him if it is the genuine original or a facsimile.

Chris,

Well it seems strange that there appears to be a 1.2 inch border cropped from all around the title page, the paper in the original edition is cream in colour, not white, and the printing of the block capitals is solid black - not blotchy like a poor photocopy. The cover of mine is light brown and the page size should be 9.75" x 13".

[Daniel Hersh]

Well, my own inner librarian is satisified with a good electronic copy....

Dueling librarians?

Stephen Chambers, on Jun 8 2009, 04:41 PM, said:

Chris Drinkwater, on Jun 9 2009, 12:13 AM, said:

Yes, but there's nothing like having a copy of the original tutor.

My "inner librarian" couldn't agree more!

Only, I have a copy of the same 5th edition, revised 1946, that's on eBay, but the auction illustration (which is of the original title page) looks a bit odd to me, in that it's been heavily cropped, the paper is too white and the printing too coarse - kind of like a photocopy maybe???.

[Stephen Chambers]

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 9 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

Well, my own inner librarian is satisified with a good electronic copy....

Oh, so's mine - when I can't get the real thing, but I bet you'd be disappointed if you thought you were buying an original copy and found you'd bid on a photocopy...

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Dueling librarians?

Good Lord deliver me!

[Irene S]

Stephen Chambers, on Jun 9 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

Daniel Hersh, on Jun 9 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

Well, my own inner librarian is satisified with a good electronic copy....

Oh, so's mine - when I can't get the real thing, but I bet you'd be disappointed if you thought you were buying an original copy and found you'd bid on a photocopy...

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Dueling librarians?

Good Lord deliver me!

Another possibility for the look of the paper may be that a flash photograph has been taken, which would drain any colour out of it. There is a splodge of light in the centre which might suggest this ... but having said that , unlike the other books on the site, it looks slightly wrong. Anybody contacted the vendor yet?

[Irene S]

Irene S, on Jun 9 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Anybody contacted the vendor yet?

Well, to answer my own question I sent the vendor a request for information two days ago, and so far the only answer has been deathly silence. I queried whether the item was the original book, whether it had the original covers, whether the pages had been cropped in any way, and for confirmation that it was not a photocopy. Wonder whether the two day silence means something? (Or whether my questions were a little too blunt???)

[Dirge]

Irene S, on Jun 12 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

Irene S, on Jun 9 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Anybody contacted the vendor yet?

Well, to answer my own question I sent the vendor a request for information two days ago, and so far the only answer has been deathly silence. I queried whether the item was the original book, whether it had the original covers, whether the pages had been cropped in any way, and for confirmation that it was not a photocopy. Wonder whether the two day silence means something? (Or whether my questions were a little too blunt???)

I wouldn't worry about it unless you want it for a collection; if you're thinking of really using it as a tutor have a look at it on concertina.com, where you can download it and other old tutors. You'll probably find a worthy but dull set of exercises gradually building to half a dozen hymn tunes, the popular theme from Rigoletto, and God Save The King, and once you've realised how turgid and plodding it is, and decided to go your own way instead, you haven't wasted any money.

All the old tutors I've seen have been very uninspiring; I don't remember Rutterford's specifically and I'd bet this is because it wasn't slightly memorable rather than because I didn't look. David Cornell's is better but his choice of tune is painful, although he probably did that so that everyone would know the tunes. I do know of one Crane learner who is finding it useful; the principles still apply regardless of system, apparently.

Got your new 'box yet?

[Irene S]

Dirge, on Jun 12 2009, 03:51 AM, said:

I wouldn't worry about it unless you want it for a collection; if you're thinking of really using it as a tutor have a look at it on concertina.com, where you can download it and other old tutors. You'll probably find a worthy but dull set of exercises gradually building to half a dozen hymn tunes, the popular theme from Rigoletto, and God Save The King, and once you've realised how turgid and plodding it is, and decided to go your own way instead, you haven't wasted any money.

All the old tutors I've seen have been very uninspiring; I don't remember Rutterford's specifically and I'd bet this is because it wasn't slightly memorable rather than because I didn't look. David Cornell's is better but his choice of tune is painful, although he probably did that so that everyone would know the tunes. I do know of one Crane learner who is finding it useful; the principles still apply regardless of system, apparently.

Got your new 'box yet?

Re that, yes thanks Dirge ... I had actually been using the one on line previously, (and the others) and to some extent have found it of some use ... yes, it is turgid and plodding ... but still useful. Me though, I also like to have the real thing ... comes of having been a trainee librarian in a previous life many moons ago ... printing it off of concertina.com is OK but it ain't the same as a "proper" book ... I still have my grade 1 piano exercises book somewhere around!! and a collection of various instruction books and song books and tune books and ..... As to David Cornell's, I'm afraid the choice of tunes was an instant turnoff for me, and I couldn't get along with it!

Re my new box - the elderly lady in question was collected from Liverpool in mid-May, She needs a little work done , but nothing too drastic, which I should hopefully be getting sorted out at the end of the month after my next two gigs .. the drastic stuff is me learning to play well enough to do the beast justice !!!

[Irene S]

Well . just in case it's of any interest to anyone, I have still had absolutely no reply to my query to the vendor of this item ... and that's over a period of five days with only one day to go to the end of the auction ... which I would suggest sounds slightly dodgy ? I might otherwise have been interested (no matter what Dirge (sorry Dirge) may say about it!!)