[ragtimer]

I have a barely used Jack English baritone (built the same as a Rochelle Anglo) that I'd like to sell, or trade even-up for a Jackie treble EC. I bought the Jack new from the Button Box last fall at NESI, and have been slowly learning the English system.

But I'd like to either get a quicker-speaking Jackie treble, or let it go for the first $300 that crosses my palm, since I'm saving up for a better Hayden Duet.

If you meet me at the Workshop in Sunderland April 18, I can hand it over, and no hassles with shipping costs or damage.
So, given it's hardly been played and all notes sound just fine, and all buttons work smoothly, $300 isn't too much.

Tho I'd really prefer to trade it for a Jackie. Either way, here's your chance to get a baritone EC.

Yes, I have Wim Wakker's excellent tutor book (not scribbled in at all) and the gig bag that came with it.
--Mike K.

[ragtimer]

ragtimer, on Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

I have a barely used Jack English baritone (built the same as a Rochelle Anglo) that I'd like to sell, or trade even-up for a Jackie treble EC. I bought the Jack new from the Button Box last fall at NESI, and have been slowly learning the English system.

But I'd like to either get a quicker-speaking Jackie treble, or let it go for the first $300 that crosses my palm, since I'm saving up for a better Hayden Duet.

If you meet me at the Workshop in Sunderland April 18, I can hand it over, and no hassles with shipping costs or damage.
So, given it's hardly been played and all notes sound just fine, and all buttons work smoothly, $300 isn't too much.

Tho I'd really prefer to trade it for a Jackie. Either way, here's your chance to get a baritone EC.

Yes, I have Wim Wakker's excellent tutor book (not scribbled in at all) and the gig bag that came with it.
--Mike K.

Just wanted to add: I'm not at this time desparate enough to pack and ship the Jack. If we can do a sale/swap at the NECW coming up, fine. Otherwise I'll just keep plodding along with the Jack. --Mike K.

[Earbrass]

ragtimer, on Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

But I'd like to either get a quicker-speaking Jackie treble...

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I don't have a trade for you, but I've been toying with the idea of getting a Jack myself (it would be my first concertina), and I'd be interested to hear more about its shortcomings as you've experienced them. You imply that the Jack is not "quick-speaking" - is that just a feature of baritones per se? I was drawn to the baritone because I find the trebles can sound a bit "honky" and shrill, but maybe it's not such a good idea if I want to play anything fast and rhythmic?

Any thoughts or comments appreciated.

Richard

[ragtimer]

Earbrass, on May 6 2009, 08:09 AM, said:

ragtimer, on Apr 5 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

But I'd like to either get a quicker-speaking Jackie treble...

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I don't have a trade for you, but I've been toying with the idea of getting a Jack myself (it would be my first concertina), and I'd be interested to hear more about its shortcomings as you've experienced them. You imply that the Jack is not "quick-speaking" - is that just a feature of baritones per se? I was drawn to the baritone because I find the trebles can sound a bit "honky" and shrill, but maybe it's not such a good idea if I want to play anything fast and rhythmic?

Any thoughts or comments appreciated.
Richard

First of all, I'm apologize this thread is still up here, since I traded my Jack back to The Button Box for store credit, at NECW last month.

Generally, the lower pitched a reed is, the slower it starts to speak. Higher quality reeds and construciton methods will get quicker speech. The Jack's lowest octave was for me, jsut too slow to respond for a learner instrument.

You (or at least I) want a learning instrument to give instant feedback as to whether we've hit the right button. I found the wait too long between hitting the button and hearing the note.

It's an ironic situation where the beginner could use a better isntrument with faster response, but a seasoned, confident player could do jsut fine on the Jack.

Like you, I wanted something mellow and deep, not squeaky. But if I were to try learning the EC again, I'd get a Jackie instead. Then maybe add a Jack once I got confident.
The Jackie shouldn't be as "honky" as some isntruments using true concertina reeds, especially if you don't squeeze it too hard.
Hope this makes sense. Others may experience this differently. --Mike K.