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#1 michael sam wild

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:12 AM

I've just been lstening to an RTE recording of a programme on Mullally who emigrated and recorded in the 1920s in the States

It mentioned that his concertina had been sent to London to Wheatstone for repairs and returned to his family in Philadelphia, where it was forgotten in an attic. He must have gone on his travels and never picked it up (unless it was sent to them after his death in 1959 (in an 'institution ' in the South)

Has anyone any idea of where it is now?

Incidentally does anyone know where I could obtain the viva voce label tape and booklet by Harry Bradshaw?

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:51 AM

The Viva Voce tape is long since out of stock. If you're lucky it's still sitting on the shelf in some shops. In fact some five years ago the same question was asked here and I found it on sale in a local shop and passed it on.

As it happens I noticed it sitting in a shop recently and took note as I thought it unusual to see old stock like that, unfortunately I can't remember where that was.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 10:54 AM

Now, that's what's called a 'teaser', I think Peter!!

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 11:04 AM

I know but I can't think of where it was. Possibly one of the tourist shops in Kilfenora, definitely somewhere around North/West Clare. I am trying to re-trace my recent wanderings.

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 02:04 PM

Has anyone any idea of where it is now?

Incidentally does anyone know where I could obtain the viva voce label tape and booklet by Harry Bradshaw?

Hi Michael

This article says that after the recordings, he gave up music and gave his concertina to a nephew. Maybe it's still in Philadelphia?
http://listsearches....1-06/0993895122

The album mentioned in the article is still available here on CD:
http://www.proper-re...h...w&alid=2033

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 06:06 AM

Thanks Leo
Funnily enough I just found that source. In fact I've just ordered the CD from Proper Records. Apparently the sleeve notes say he became disillusioned with the commercial music business and gave it to his nephew in Philadelphia.. Apparently at his peak there were 4000 records pressed for his first record and then this fell off. The concertina was not too familiar at the time. Maybe it was the economic depression or that the Anglo was going out of fashion about then as Dan Worrall has shown. The fiddle players of the time seemed to have stayed in esteem among the Irish expats as well as people back in Ireland. Although Paddy Murphy and others were inspired by him. But as Paddy said it was unfamiliar to many of the audience when he won his first competition in the 1950s at Cavan.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 01:55 AM

FYI, Dan Worrall reported about a year ago that "I'm told that ITMA is re-issuing the Mullaly recordings in 2008, with an expanded set of notes". And there's one Mullaly recording available online here.

Thanks Leo
Funnily enough I just found that source. In fact I've just ordered the CD from Proper Records. Apparently the sleeve notes say he became disillusioned with the commercial music business and gave it to his nephew in Philadelphia.. Apparently at his peak there were 4000 records pressed for his first record and then this fell off. The concertina was not too familiar at the time. Maybe it was the economic depression or that the Anglo was going out of fashion about then as Dan Worrall has shown. The fiddle players of the time seemed to have stayed in esteem among the Irish expats as well as people back in Ireland. Although Paddy Murphy and others were inspired by him. But as Paddy said it was unfamiliar to many of the audience when he won his first competition in the 1950s at Cavan.



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Posted 03 November 2008 - 05:52 AM

Thanks Daniel, I'd be grateful if anyone could let me know of progress on the ITMA front with that reissue
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Posted 03 November 2008 - 10:17 AM

Thanks Daniel, I'd be grateful if anyone could let me know of progress on the ITMA front with that reissue
Mike


Mike, Daniel,

That is what I heard last year from them; like you I've been waiting to hear of its re-release. You could always give them a call.

Cheers,
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Posted 03 November 2008 - 12:33 PM

Thanks, Dan--

I read your post and thought "well, I'll just e-mail them", but I looked at their contact page and discovered, as I'm sure that you already knew, that ITMA doesn't accept e-mail from the public. I don't think that I'll try to phone them from California, but here's the info for those who are closer to Dublin:

To make contact with the Irish Traditional Music Archive, you can

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Thanks Daniel, I'd be grateful if anyone could let me know of progress on the ITMA front with that reissue
Mike

Mike, Daniel,

That is what I heard last year from them; like you I've been waiting to hear of its re-release. You could always give them a call.

Cheers,
Dan



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Posted 03 November 2008 - 01:07 PM

I met the same brick wall last time I tried to contact ITMA. I was very busy then, I may persevere now.

Edited by michael sam wild, 15 January 2009 - 09:21 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:29 PM

[quote name='Daniel Hersh' date='Nov 3 2008, 12:33 PM' post='81843']
Thanks, Dan--

I read your post and thought "well, I'll just e-mail them", but I looked at their contact page and discovered, as I'm sure that you already knew, that ITMA doesn't accept e-mail from the public.
[/indent]Daniel

Hi Daniel, Mike,

Yes, it is all coming back to me; I visited them a couple of years ago. They have a small second floor office on a square in Dublin....not a big operation, for something with as many international fans as Irish music has. And it is by design not a commercial enterprise, and also not a big club like Comhaltas....so perhaps not surprising that they are unresponsive to email queries!

A phone call is best. I'm pretty sure I was talking to Nicholas Carolan (their Director) when I heard about the Mullaly re-release. I hope I got that right, and this is not all a wild goose chase. Sorry if it is all a bit frustrating. Email me if they have no plans to reissue it; I may be able to help you get a copy offline.

Dan

Edited by Dan Worrall, 03 November 2008 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2009 - 11:17 PM

This is just a followup to this thread from last November. I've been in contact with Jackie Small over the past couple of months. Jackie, working with the Irish Traditional Music Archive in Dublin, has transcribed all of Mullaly's tunes, to incorporate them into the re-release of the Mullaly recordings in CD form by that association this year. I'm not at all sure when that re-release will be (I would certainly guess this year), but can tell you that Jackie has done a bang-up, brilliant job on the transcripts. We were conversing about the fingering. I won't steal Jackie's thunder by spilling the beans, but be ready for a bit of a surprise, maybe even a tiny bit of a shock, when you see the results.

Cheers,
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 05:44 AM

Yes, it is all coming back to me; I visited them a couple of years ago. They have a small second floor office on a square in Dublin....not a big operation, for something with as many international fans as Irish music has.


ITMA moved to new premises during 2008.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 09:04 AM

Thanks Dan
I can't wait!

Mike

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:26 PM

I have often found Mullally's "C#BA" triplets, and the settings of some of Mullally's tunes, that are very similar to those used by D melodeon players such as P. J. Conlon and his contemporaries, interesting... Obviously these can be played easily on a 36 or 40 key Wheatstone C/G, and the frequent use of C# in places where today we might expect C natural was "in the air" at that time (for example in many of the 78s by fiddlers and pipers). But I have often wondered if Mullally's concertina had a D row.

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Edited by Paul Groff, 11 January 2009 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2009 - 01:27 PM

I suppose we must wait in anticipation. Meanwhile I will keep playing along and trying to get my fingers and head round his brilliance, just as I did with PJ Conlon and what seemed impossible on the basic boxes of the time. Now I realize again what I've always suspected, It's what you have in you and what you put out is only partially limited by the box and its technics
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Posted 15 January 2009 - 09:14 AM

I have often found Mullally's "C#BA" triplets, and the settings of some of Mullally's tunes, that are very similar to those used by D melodeon players such as P. J. Conlon and his contemporaries, interesting... Obviously these can be played easily on a 36 or 40 key Wheatstone C/G, and the frequent use of C# in places where today we might expect C natural was "in the air" at that time (for example in many of the 78s by fiddlers and pipers). But I have often wondered if Mullally's concertina had a D row.

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Thanks Paul
I've just got out my D outer row/G inner row, melodeon and I think I can see what you mean
Yours
Mike




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