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#19 Stephen Chambers

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Posted 21 February 2004 - 11:02 PM

I don't think that concertinist is a 'proper' word; concertina player, well hopefully. Certainly something to aspire to.

Dave,

Does this mean you also prefer "organ player" to "organist", "guitar player" to "guitarist", "violin player" to "violinist", etc., etc., etc. ?

I would think the opposite, that the "-ist" suffix suggests more status, as in "X is only a piano player, but Y is a pianist".

Or maybe you think it pretentious ? I will admit that it does have rather an "old-fashioned" ring to it, but perhaps that is because of the lowly status our beloved instrument is perceived as having.

Stephen

P.S. Thinking some more about this, most of us probably come to the concertina via folk music, in which case we would probably say "guitar player", rather than "guitarist", and even "fiddler", rather than "violin player", never mind "violinist".

In which case, given that our chosen instrument is often referred to as a "squeezebox" (or a "squashbox" in Zululand), and the Irish preference to descrbe a button accordion (and sometimes, by extension, a concertina) as a "box", or an "accordionist" as a "box player", maybe we should all be known as "boxers", and not just Jim (the Heavyweight Champion of us all) ?

Of course, there is always "boxist" as an alternative, but I don't think it would win many votes.

Edited to add Postscript.

Edited by Stephen Chambers, 22 February 2004 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2004 - 11:08 AM

In which case, given that our chosen instrument is often referred to as a "squeezebox" (or a "squashbox" in Zululand), and the Irish preference to descrbe a button accordion (and sometimes, by extension, a concertina) as a "box", or an "accordionist" as a "box player", maybe we should all be known as "boxers",...

Then we could join together to stage a "boxer rebellion", and take over the world! :ph34r:

Edited by JimLucas, 23 February 2004 - 11:57 AM.


#21 Stephen Chambers

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 04:43 PM

Then we could join together to stage a "boxer rebellion", and take over the world

... so that the combined forces of IBM & Microsoft could be set to work, to produce the perfect MIDI concertina ! :o

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 07:13 AM

I think that the problem with "concertinaist" is the juxtaposition of vowel sounds. Ever heard of a "mandolaist" or a "violaist". Even a Flute player is a "Flautist".

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 08:04 AM

... so that the combined forces of IBM & Microsoft could be set to work, to produce the perfect MIDI concertina !  :o

Oh, Lord, what a nightmare. Have your concertina powered by Wheatstone XP Professional Edition.... At least until it crashes. :(

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 08:16 AM

I think that the problem with "concertinaist" is the juxtaposition of vowel sounds.

Well, yeah, but we were discussing "concertinist", not "concertinaist".
...After all, nobody says "violaist", "celloist", or "pianoist".

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 09:27 AM

how about "super squeezer"?

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 09:57 AM

how about "super squeezer"?

And a concertinist who's always hitting sour notes would be a "lemon squeezer"?

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 11:58 AM

...After all, nobody says "violaist", "celloist", or "pianoist".

But you don't drop the "a" and get "mandolist" or "violist" either. I'm scratching my head to think of other instruments ending in "a".

I think you're OK if it ends in an "o", just by droping the "o", (oboe is "oe" and a law unto itself) but not with an "a".

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(editied when I remembered the oboe)

Edited by Robin Madge, 24 February 2004 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:25 PM

...After all, nobody says "violaist", "celloist", or "pianoist".

But you don't drop the "a" and get "mandolist" or "violist" either. I'm scratching my head to think of other instruments ending in "a".

"Violist", definitely!

"Mandolist" might also be proper, but the mandola is uncommon enough that it wouldn't be recognized and might create confusion, seeming an improper shortening of "mandolinist". But probably "mandola player" is sufficient.

How about "Victrolist"? Like "gramophonist", though I think I like "gramophony" better. :)

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 02:09 PM

"Mandolist" might also be proper, but the mandola is uncommon enough that it wouldn't be recognized and might create confusion, seeming an improper shortening of "mandolinist".  But probably "mandola player" is sufficient.

It may not be commonplace, but "mandolist" is proper, I have come across it used to describe a mandola player.

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 03:36 PM

It may not be commonplace, but "mandolist" is proper, I have come across it used to describe a mandola player.

That doesn't necessarily make it proper.

You shouldn't hear what some people have used to describe concertina players. ;)

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 11:21 PM

That doesn't necessarily make it proper.

They were very genteel, Victorian mandolists, they wouldn't have dared be improper !

You shouldn't hear what some people have used to describe concertina players.  ;)

Why do you think I wear earplugs ? :rolleyes:

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Posted 04 March 2004 - 01:29 AM

Look out Jim ! ;)

You appear to be in severe danger of receiving a fresh "Honour" in the next couple of days !

What will it be ? :unsure:

(991 and counting ...)

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Posted 04 March 2004 - 01:57 AM

You appear to be in severe danger of receiving a fresh "Honour" in the next couple of days !

And you Stephen are heading to the transfer from "Advanced Member" to "Chatty Concertinist". Comparing "Advanced" with "Chatty", I see it as a serious degradation, that is not compensated by the upgrading from "Member" to "Concertinist"
I admit that I am also approaching horrible moment :huh: :unsure: :( :angry: :ph34r:

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Posted 04 March 2004 - 02:48 AM

Comparing "Advanced" with "Chatty", I see it as a serious degradation, that is not compensated by the upgrading from "Member" to "Concertinist"

Agreed, but then, I could never claim to be any kind of "Advanced Concertinist", and as for "Chatty Member" ...

I admit that I am also approaching horrible moment  :huh:  :unsure: :(  :angry:  :ph34r:


Commiserations !

(I know how it feels.)

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Posted 04 March 2004 - 04:02 AM

You appear to be in severe danger of receiving a fresh "Honour" in the next couple of days !

That assumes that 1000 is the next boundary. I'll admit that it seems reasonable, but maybe for fun Ken set it at 1111, or some such. :)

What will it be ? :unsure:


Ah, therre's the question. "Knockout Boxer"? (For which I could be "knocked out" of the Forum?) "Millennium Squeezer"? "Boxnoxious Poster"? "Rest-less Poster"? "Flying Fingers"? "Anaconda" (the "longest" squeezer on Concertina.net)?

Hurry with your own suggestions, and if Ken likes one well enough, he just might substitute it for whatever is currently waiting in the wings.
....Right, Ken?

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Posted 04 March 2004 - 04:41 AM

What will it be ? :unsure:

Ah, therre's the question. ... "Anaconda" (the "longest" squeezer on Concertina.net)?

No, can't use that, that's a mega Serpent ! (You know, like Colin Dipper plays !)

Hurry with your own suggestions, and if Ken likes one well enough, he just might substitute it for whatever is currently waiting in the wings.
....Right, Ken?

How about "Boxaholic" ? :)

Edited by Stephen Chambers, 04 March 2004 - 04:44 AM.





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