Edited to remove a bunch of stuff from another Topic that Invision seems to have pasted in without (as far as I know) my asking it to.
Just be glad you aren't trying to learn the fiddle, after a month you would still be struggling to get a note in tune!
I know some "fiddlers" who seem to have given up that struggle long ago, but that doesn't stop them from playing.
I disagree on both accounts. Not everybody struggles with the fiddle. I was a witness to at least two cases, where at a workshop strangers picked up violin and the sound came out just right.
. . .A concertina just "seems" to be user friendly, but to get from squacking in tune to playing takes some time. A concertina is specifically difficult instrument, much more difficult than a piano, for example.
I wonder if Wim Wakker and his piano accompanist would agree with you.
have found the (English) concertina to be much easier than the piano, even though I struggled with the piano for years before knowing that concertinas existed. And I know at least one other person for whom this is true. Using your own "two cases" argument, Misha, my pair of anecdotes "proves" that you're wrong.
The truth is that the degree of "difficulty" isn't an inherent, fixed property of the instrument
, but depends significantly on characteristics -- both physical and mental -- of the person
trying to learn to play it.
Firstly I stated that we shouldn't compare more difficult music demanded from a piano, to simpler music expected from Concertina.
The reason that technical demand for the piano is higher is that there is a centuries old conservatory culture wrapped into that instrument.
You did? I thought you said (the boldface emphasis is mine):
...I think Concertina takes as much time to master, as violin, if not more,....
But I agree that it makes sense to compare playing at comparable levels. If "Mary had a little lamb" should be one level, then how about both piano and concertina arrangements for songs of the Music Hall-Vaudeville genre as another, e.g., comparing piano arrangements (published or recorded) with what Jamie Boorer does on the Crane, Dave Townsend on the English, and John Kirkpatrick on the anglo (among others). Something more "classical"? How about comparing Franz Bosen's Concerto (in D major) for the Concertina
"composed for and dedicated to Giulio Regondi" with a piano or violin concerto from the same period?
If "Mary had a little lamb" is easier on a piano, than it means that piano is easier.
First of all, I don't believe it is easier on the piano, so I find the rest of your argument to be irrelvant. And even if your "If" statement were true, I don't believe your "than" ("then") statement follows from it. But if you meant that as a definition rather than a conclusion, I don't accept it as true, so for me any argument deriving from it is pointless.
I think njurkowski
has described the situation pretty accurately.
Edited by JimLucas, 11 December 2007 - 07:31 AM.