The Real Problem With The New Forum?
Posted 21 August 2003 - 02:15 AM
If I understand what you (especially Paul) have said, the old Forum was Paul's creation. If a change was needed, then he could do it, at least in theory.
Now, however, you guys are using somebody else's creation. You can enable and disable various features, or select various options, but you can't *add* things of your own, or make fundamental changes.
Specifically, you are *not able* to introduce a tree-structured display like the old Forum had, nor separate subject lines for each post. I'm guessing that you're not even able to give us a linear display of the poster's name, date, and first line of each post where we could click to display the full text of the one(s) we're interested in, but wouldn't have to scroll past *all* the full text to get to the one(s) we wanted to look at.
You see, I'd like to make several positive (IMO) suggestions rather than just criticizing. But I fear there's no point, because even if you like them, *you* can't provide them.
Please tell me I'm wrong.
Posted 21 August 2003 - 07:10 AM
Posted 21 August 2003 - 07:29 AM
Busy boards have mostly all moved to this way of doing things because threads can quickly get really big and cumbersome (which is why you don't see a whole lot of threaded boards anymore). Also threading is more difficult to program, and causes complications there too (keeping track of multiple children/parents can really eat up application and database server resources as the program recursively looks for where it is in each thread).
Posted 21 August 2003 - 09:00 AM
Still, I would be very interested in the answer to Jim's question: do you [Paul] get what you're given with this software, or can you go in and tweak the source? To extend that a little: clearly, since it's PHP, which is an interpreted language, you could go in and modify the code to your heart's content, but a) licence conditions may forbid that, and b ) it may be just too complex to modify with confidence anyway.
Furthermore, when I type b followed by a bracket, I get - that's unhelpful! That's why there's a space between the b and the bracket above.
Posted 21 August 2003 - 09:25 AM
Furthermore, when I type b followed by a bracket, I get [emoticon] - that's unhelpful! That's why there's a space between the b and the bracket above.
Below the input window there are several enable/click lines. One lets you turn off "enable emoticons." Try that. I would try it myself, but I can't reproduce the problem you cite. It must be system specific.
Posted 21 August 2003 - 10:48 AM
It was without doubt (to me) the best forum system I was aware of at any music site. It was conversational, intuitive, and yes *free-form*, all qualities that I believe *most* musicians (not all) find valuable.
Search capabilities??!! At this expense/cost/loss I couldn't care less.
Spam is an increasing problem for everyone, and if the anti-spam functions of the new software is a major reason to change over to it, then it truly is a sad day. I am grateful for Paul and Ken's efforts and certainly don't wish upon them any more work to keep the site functional.
The old software was unique. It fostered a unique experience and community.
The new software is generic. It's loaded with 'stuff' you don't really need and does not offer what is required for truly building and maintaining the community that we had.
Hoping not to sound too socio-political, I suppose it's just an inevitable reflection of society itself. We are surrounded by junk that we don't really need, but are told we do, all the while community crumbles around us. What we are left with is bad schools, poor health care (USA), corporate (as well as street) crime, unsafe drinking water....... But boy do we have products!!!
It seems that WalMart has moved into town. Say good-bye to the local hardware store, the local service station and the drugstore soda fountain
Posted 21 August 2003 - 02:13 PM
Posted 21 August 2003 - 03:31 PM
Posted 21 August 2003 - 07:02 PM
You are right Paul, and even tho I prefer the tree thread, I'm sure we will all get used to the new forum format. I know I will. At any rate I don't intend to stop logging on.
Yes, it's all PHP and MySQL, just like every page of Concertina.net, so in theory I could get in there and tweak, but the point is that I don't have to, don't want to, and don't have time to.
This discussion forum has given me a great deal of information that I know I wouldn't have if I had to find it all on my own.
Posted 21 August 2003 - 10:31 PM
I realy like the new fourm! I find it asteticaly (spelling) pleasing! hahah, No but seriously down to buisiness, it dose everynow and then have parts that are hard to understand. Exspecially the parts that include a bit of technical jargin! But overall I rate it a....
Edited by guckey13, 21 August 2003 - 10:32 PM.
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