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Any Idea What Mozart Song This Is? Concertina Book By Frank Converse


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#1 cryptastix

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 10:16 AM

the book is called: Deluxe Concertina Book by Frank J. Converse, Mel bay.

 

the song is called concertina concerto, its on page 50, if you have the book.

 

from what i understand, mozart made alot of concertos. I just want to get an idea of what the song sounds like on youtube. (before remapping it out and learning it.)

 

 

I can post a picture of the piece, but I don't know how copy right laws and fair usage laws work.



#2 David Barnert

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:51 PM

Many pages of the book are on google books, here. Unfortunately, not pages 50 and 51.



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Posted 23 April 2017 - 05:17 AM

Mozart wrote very few songs, none of them are also concertos, and even his smallest concertos won't fit on two pages.  Converse has done a bit of tacky renaming along the lines of "Lovers' Concerto" and "Symphonies for the Sixties".

 

The melodies of Mozart's music are certainly not copyright anywhere.  Just scan or photograph the main theme and upload it.



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 07:39 PM

Mozart wrote very few songs, none of them are also concertos...

 

I suspect he’s using the word “song” in the general sense of any musical selection.

 

[Edited to add:] Oh, and Mozart wrote many songs. His operas are full of them. He called (and we still call) them “arias."


Edited by David Barnert, 28 April 2017 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 08:48 AM

Mozart called songs "lieder" and knew what the difference was between that form and an operatic aria.

 

"Das Veilchen" is probably the best known, but this was one field where Haydn far outperformed him.  Mozart's entire song output fits on two CDs, Naxos 8.557900-01, with 36 tracks.



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:14 AM

Aria is Italian, Lied is German. They both mean song. Mozart spoke German and wrote (most of his) operas in Italian, so he used them both.

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:30 PM

They are DIFFERENT  GENRES.  Not only did Mozart use different languages for each, the forms are different and so is the instrumentation.

 

The Italian equivalent of German "lied" is "canto", not "aria".

 

Anyway - can the OP not simply take a photo of a distinctive phrase from the music and upload it?  (If the original was a concerto, my bet is that it will turn out to be the famous 6/8 finale from the horn concerto no.4, since that should transfer to the concertina reasonably well).


Edited by Jack Campin, 29 April 2017 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:01 PM

Looks like the OP is a hit-and-run troll and won't be back with any more information.

 

I'm still curious.  Anybody else got the book and can post enough of the relevant theme to be recognizable?



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:21 AM

Mozart wrote very few songs, none of them are also concertos, and even his smallest concertos won't fit on two pages.  Converse has done a bit of tacky renaming along the lines of "Lovers' Concerto" and "Symphonies for the Sixties".

 

 

The point you made, about the stupid renaming of songs, has completely turned me off to this book. I'm not going to learn tunes that don't have the accurate name of a song. 

 

If you still want it, ill post it. It doesn't violate any copyright laws by posting stuff for educational purposes.  And learning the name of a song is quite educational. its actually kinda short anyway



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Posted 05 May 2017 - 02:05 PM

As far as naming, you're not going to find a Mozart concerto on one page of a Mel Bay book. They tend to be dozens of minutes long and involve a solo instrument and a full orchestra, each instrument with its own music, filling the pages of a book an inch thick. And as for a Concertina Concerto, just remember that Mozart was dead nearly 40 years before the concertina was invented. It's probably a tune from a well-known piano or violin concerto, arranged for concertina.

 

But now you've got me curious. Sure, if it's not to difficult, I'd like to see what's there.



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Posted 05 May 2017 - 08:54 PM

I have the book right here and it is a solo piano work of Mozart my sister played as a young piano student, but that's not my genre and the name escapes me (if I ever knew it).

OT, but when my wife wanted to start anglo, the BB folks (either Rich Morse or Doug Creighton) suggested this book by Converse. It worked well for her as someone who had done almost no music before - I think it is underrated. It gave her a good start on a number of ways to finger two rows, doing a different line on each hand at the same time, when to grab air, etc. I'm not sure she ever tackled the Mozart, however.

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 03:38 AM

Thanks, Ken. I bet it's this one (number 11, in A major).

 

But is it really called "Concertina Concerto"?



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Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:36 AM

No, no, let me attempt some abc from memory (I'm now at work, away from the book):

 

X: 1

M: C

L: 1/8

K: C

c4 e2 g2 | B3 c/d/ c4 | a4 g2 c'2 | g2 g/f/e/f/ e4 |

 

You know, that one!

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 07:43 AM

Aha! Number 16 in C.

 

Still puzzled about the “Concerto” business.



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Posted 06 May 2017 - 08:20 AM

I am no pro on this subject but I am reminded that Michael Turner's Waltz (The Sussex Waltz) is said to originate from Mozart:

 

https://thesession.org/tunes/7077

 

It was the TOTM for May 2014 (tune of the month) here in that forum.



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Posted 06 May 2017 - 08:43 AM

I think Converse is just having fun with titles and trying to make the student feel accomplished (it is the last pages in his book). I'm sure reactions will vary (as we have seen); some find this incorrect according to accepted definitions, while others (me) find it more or less harmless. Off to try playing it (check back with me in six months).

 

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Posted 06 May 2017 - 10:16 AM

OK, so if cryptastix still wants to know how it goes, that's the noise it makes.





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