wheatstone/chidley batch date help
Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:04 AM
Posted 30 July 2012 - 04:18 PM
Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:55 PM
I'd be curious to know when Wheatstone used riveted reeds. Mine have held up amazingly well all these decades, but I can see how riveted reeds would be a pain to replace, so that's probably why Wheatstone dropped the idea and went back to screwed reeds? It must have been a very convincing rivet salesman who got them to do it in the first place!
Edited by gcoover, 30 July 2012 - 07:56 PM.
Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:11 PM
i share your thoughts on the rivet system. too hard to replace a reed. glad you enjoy yours so much!
Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:07 PM
I too have one with good riveted reeds - plays exceedingly well - fast action, punchy reeds, mellow sound but yet a great dynamic range - overall a super 'tina, and was my main squeeze for a number of years before I got my TT.
... it's one of the finest EC's I've ever played...
Edited by SteveS, 31 July 2012 - 07:12 PM.
Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:35 PM
Basically, riveted reeds were used in instruments sold from around April 1865 up to the 1890s decade with serial numbers 18,000 upwards. After William Wheatstone died in 1862, the company continued selling screwed reed instruments, probably because they had arrangements with other people (like Lachenal) to supply them. These instruments have serials up to around 15,500, but could possibly be numbered in error since there are only a handfull higher than serial 14,000 documented . But in April 1865 they sold the first of the 18,000 series Edward Chidley made instruments (see Ledger C1053 Page 13), and by March 1866 they are being produced in quantity, as you can see from Ledger 1054 page 133 onwards (first instrument 18,061). This ledger continues up to the end of 1891(plus a few later oddments on later pages), and then we have a gap in records until Ledger SD01 starts in May 1910.
...I'd be curious to know when Wheatstone used riveted reeds. Mine have held up amazingly well all these decades, but I can see how riveted reeds would be a pain to replace, so that's probably why Wheatstone dropped the idea and went back to screwed reeds? It must have been a very convincing rivet salesman who got them to do it in the first place!
Edward Chidley had worked with harmoniums, so used the idea of riveted reeds in all Wheatstone instruments produced during his time in control of the company. He died in 1899 and the company passed to his sons, who presumably had come up with their own ideas in the 1890/1900 decades, including the Aeola (6 and 8 sided versions) and screwed reeds, and in Ledger SD01 we see a much wider range of instrument models and types.
None of the the three ledgers mentioned have batch number information, so the question Wes originally asked doesn't seem to have any obvious answers. But perhaps it can be shown that concertinas of this type were usually marked with serials internally from a certain date and/or serial onwards, which might narrow the date range.
Edit: I should really have written None of the the three ledgers mentioned have relevant batch number information since the batch number info starts in SD01, but of course they weren't using riveted reeds by then.
Edited by wes williams, 08 August 2012 - 10:06 AM.
Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:58 PM
As there was no serial number besides the '63' on the decorative paper and inside, (originally stated it was 64, but looked inside again) i'll never know exactly but it does give a firmer idea as to the general time frame.
Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:59 AM
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