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#1 Gary Chapin

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

I found a French tune book from 1929 and I'm publishing it over on my blog. Enjoy, everyone.

http://accordeonaire...9-tunebook.html

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:41 AM

Some more material.

The Introductory Essay
http://accordeonaire...tory-essay.html

A group photo
http://accordeonaire...roup-photo.html

Some tunes
http://accordeonaire...rree-tunes.html

Thanks, all.

Edited by Gary Chapin, 16 April 2012 - 08:46 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:41 AM

Thanks Gary,
I showed your pictures to our local expert, who plays Accordeon Mixte and has been in the Trad scene here since the 1960's. I hoped he would know of the Book but no... I guess you have a rare find.

Cheers,
Geoff.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

Well Tallship, when's the abc transcription coming? ;) I might could add the words (very slowly) if anyone wanted them.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:58 AM

I'd actually already started abc-ing this up for my own usage & amusement, so if anyone would like a copy as the file progresses, please PM me.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:22 AM

I'd actually already started abc-ing this up for my own usage & amusement, so if anyone would like a copy as the file progresses, please PM me.

Very cool! Are you including the lyrics, also? Very interesting to discover that the lyrics are mostly in Occitan, not in French -- not that I can speak either with any fluency.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:03 AM

Well I hadn't included the lyrics from the ones published so far, but I guess that wouldn't be too much of a stretch if the file's going to become a public resource rather than a private thing.

I speak enough French to realise that the lyrics weren't French - if they're Occitan, that explains it!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:02 PM

Well Tallship, when's the abc transcription coming? ;) I might could add the words (very slowly) if anyone wanted them.


Well, a certain Mr Mansfield has grasped the nettle already and to be perfectly honest he has a safer pair of hands than I. Don't you just love it when the metaphors you've mixed go so well together? :unsure: :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

The next batch of pages for you!

http://accordeonaire...ree-part-5.html

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

I found a French tune book from 1929 and I'm publishing it over on my blog. Enjoy, everyone.

http://accordeonaire...9-tunebook.html

Soopah!
A little thing you might want to fix (as it may get quoted by others praps) in the first section of the blog is mention of the title
Recuil de "La
I think it might be
RecuEil de "La

as he uses 'recueil' at the top of his first page.
:)

Lots of potential translators I see, and if someone takes charge of doing that and wants to share around a few pages for each person to do, then I don't mind knocking out a few in English :)

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:46 AM

A little thing you might want to fix (as it may get quoted by others praps) in the first section of the blog is mention of the title
Recuil de "La
I think it might be
RecuEil de "La

Lots of potential translators I see, and if someone takes charge of doing that and wants to share around a few pages for each person to do, then I don't mind knocking out a few in English :)

It's pretty exciting to watch it unfold. My vision of it is as a completely, freely available public thingy.

Good catch on that typo. I will fix it.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:32 PM


It's pretty exciting to watch it unfold. My vision of it is as a completely, freely available public thingy.

So long as we don't have to do some visual/video performances to go with it. I am a bit worried about yr Part 5 p 13, fourth para http://accordeonaire.blogspot.co.uk/
which requires beginners must have dance lessons from the chef du ballet. I long ago sold my tutu "for a song" and (sshhh....!)my avatar never wears anything anyway ................... :lol:

BTW without wanting to be boring at this stage but any eventual public thingy should be clearly copyrighted to stop rumblefish and google and amazon and US DMCP nicking it to sell commercially. Just bear it in mind for now. :) :)

Edited by Kautilya, 18 April 2012 - 03:35 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:45 AM

BTW without wanting to be boring at this stage but any eventual public thingy should be clearly copyrighted to stop rumblefish and google and amazon and US DMCP nicking it to sell commercially. Just bear it in mind for now. :) :)


Hang on a minute, I thought we were talking about abc-ing the tunes and songs.

There are millions of tunes in abc format all over t'Internet and 'rumblefish and google and amazon and US DMCP' seem to have managed to survived for years without hoovering them up into a pay-walled garden.

And let's face it, is there really such a huge commercially-exploitable resource being created here out of a 1920s French music book?

Let's keep a bit of perspective ...

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:16 AM


BTW without wanting to be boring at this stage but any eventual public thingy should be clearly copyrighted to stop rumblefish and google and amazon and US DMCP nicking it to sell commercially. Just bear it in mind for now. :) :)


Hang on a minute, I thought we were talking about abc-ing the tunes and songs.

There are millions of tunes in abc format all over t'Internet and 'rumblefish and google and amazon and US DMCP' seem to have managed to survived for years without hoovering them up into a pay-walled garden.

And let's face it, is there really such a huge commercially-exploitable resource being created here out of a 1920s French music book?

Let's keep a bit of perspective ...

Of course Steve - a bit of perspective.Anyway, I was not thinking specifically of the ABC product but the overall package that might eventually appear with photos of text, scores,midis (and in turn youtubes).

Scholarship (which this project of Gary's is) is time-consuming and worth protecting against the marauders. While one does not need to put © on something it does no harm to use it to warn them off. I did say just bear it in mind.

Some here are affected daily by this issue and others not, but it remains a real issue. Rumblefish and others are now claiming that the recording of Anglesey Folking About 2012 is their copyright - utter nonsense, but they will use that false claim to obtain cash from Google for ads etc. I am debating putting Mr Happy on to them for a savaging... "that'll lern them" (as they say not far from Chester).

I see, daily, that these outfits are expanding their rights grab on youtube even for bird song.*

I would refer folk, once again, to the Judge Denny Chin judgement on the book copyright grab by Google and the cases filed against Hathi and some US universities.

Gary will know from his own doctoral research how many journals are making big money from re-sales of specialist articles when the authors and the peer reviewers have done all the work for free. That is why I and some others retain copyright in such work - we then have the right to give it free to those who need it and cannot afford exorbitant journal fees (UK universities paid an estimated 200 million last year to Elsevier et al for subscriptions). And the articles are then further resold by such companies to individuals at say 20 or 30 quid a shot.

*http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!category-topic/youtube/how-to-use-youtube-features/eSjKSGBrFMo

http://boingboing.ne...-own-copyr.html

As regards repro of the text and the score visuals (ABC of the out of copyright tunes should not be an issue) while the book is 1929 I see Camille Gandilhon Gens d'Armes (who signed the intro)died on July 22, 1948 so rights held by his heirs or other rightsholders expire in 2018 (death +70).

I am not sure where Henri Pourrat fits in if at all but he died in 1959.

An effort to track down rightsholders for any permissions would be good practice. It seems from first glance at the title page that rights belongs to the members of the Ligue and various such as Sec Gen Bonnet.
If the Ligue is still in existence they would probably be pleased to give such permissions...

It would seem they do exist.
This could be the start of a good relationship with exchange visits .... :) especially in this 60th year of the International Concertina Association.

I see there is another Bonnet (Charlene) in view here.
http://ligue-auvergnate.com/

Over to you Gary!
:)
and a bit on the HathiTrust project (which of course means elephant in Hindi = reminds one of a bull in a tina shop)
http://www.publisher...ry-project.html

http://www.teleread....ed-works-issue/

Edited by Kautilya, 19 April 2012 - 06:56 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:01 AM

I see there is another Bonnet (Charlene) in view here.
http://ligue-auvergnate.com/

Over to you Gary!
:)

And following through your links I find "La bourré" Paris (founded in 1925).

http://www.labourree.com/

I will be contacting! At the moment I have a copyright notice on the blog, but not on the specific posts. I think I'll add that. "Creative Commons"? Is that appropriate?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:37 AM

I will be contacting! At the moment I have a copyright notice on the blog, but not on the specific posts. I think I'll add that. "Creative Commons"? Is that appropriate?


Creative Commons has some nice licenses. Which one you choose could depend on many factors. You might also consider using the Copyheart.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:25 AM


I will be contacting! At the moment I have a copyright notice on the blog, but not on the specific posts. I think I'll add that. "Creative Commons"? Is that appropriate?


Creative Commons has some nice licenses. Which one you choose could depend on many factors. You might also consider using the Copyheart.

No
Not creative commons.
Just plain old ©
You can investigate the implication of creative commons, perhaps when you have a final product but plain copyright means you can retain all rights AS WELL as give a licence for free to the under-fives Springfield Tina Teenies.
Once you do creative commons you lose much of the choice of control as the main aim of it originally was to put stuff into the public domain.

Creative commons is frequently used by those on a salary (often paid for by the taxpayer) which pays their gas and electricity and who do not have to worry about having to earn a living from their © creative output in this area. Professors writing in journals are a typical example!

On youtube, I find it preferable to choose standard Youtube license (not creative commons).The standard has its own limitations but youtube does not claim ownership of your copyright.

http://www.clickandc...ve-commons.aspx

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

And following through your links I find "La bourré" Paris (founded in 1925).

http://www.labourree.com/

"La bourré" Paris u mention seems to be the same roots but it also seems that the 'officers' differ from those on the Ligue site.
Labourree.com is possibly a sub-set of HQ, as there are similar for Auvergnats in other cities.
:)

Edited by Kautilya, 19 April 2012 - 10:42 AM.





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