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#1 hawleys auctioneers

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:49 AM

Wheatstone & Co. Duet Concertina c.1845 to be sold at auction at Beverley Racecourse East Yorkshire England on Sunday March 4th 2012 by Hawleys Auctioneers
Please go to www.hawleys.info for images and contact details or ring John Hawley 07850 225805 or email john@hawleys.info

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:33 PM

Wheatstone & Co. Duet Concertina c.1845 to be sold at auction at Beverley Racecourse East Yorkshire England on Sunday March 4th 2012 by Hawleys Auctioneers
Please go to www.hawleys.info for images and contact details or ring John Hawley 07850 225805 or email john@hawleys.info

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:40 AM

Wheatstone & Co. Duet Concertina c.1845 to be sold at auction at Beverley Racecourse East Yorkshire England on Sunday March 4th 2012 by Hawleys Auctioneers
Please go to www.hawleys.info for images and contact details or ring John Hawley 07850 225805 or email john@hawleys.info


An oddball one ... Is it actually a Wheatstone? Everything looks too clunky.
Button layout could be a prototype Crane Duet system I suppose.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:45 AM

An oddball one ... Is it actually a Wheatstone? Everything looks too clunky.


Yes it is as the auctioneers have described, a Wheatstone Duett

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 05:16 AM

Button layout could be a prototype Crane Duet system I suppose.

Much more like Maccann.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:22 AM

Yes. I was thinking Maccann also. Didn't Wheatstone experiment with duet concertinas before settling on what became the Maccann layout? I realize that is not the most historically accurate statement but I seem to recall reading something like that either here or on concertina.com.

Ivan, didn't Crane start out with the 5 stud pattern from the beginning?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:11 AM

[Yes. I was thinking Maccann also. Didn't Wheatstone experiment with duet concertinas before settling on what became the Maccann layout? I realize that is not the most historically accurate statement but I seem to recall reading something like that either here or on concertina.com.


Maccann certainly based his design on the earlier Wheatstone. This from Concertina.com

"The first successful design for a Duet concertina was patented in 1884 by a young performer, "Professor" John Hill Maccann. Maccann based his design on an earlier Wheatstone & Co. model, but licensed his patent to Wheatstone's competitor Lachenal & Co., and wrote both a tutor for his new instrument and a more-general "Concertinist's Guide" to promote it (his patent and both of his publications are available in full on this site). Fine-quality Maccann-system instruments were also made by Wheatstone & Co. after Maccann's patent expired in 1898, but Wheatstone never used Maccann's name to describe them. "

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:12 AM

The wheatstone oval mark can be seen faintly on one side of the concertina.
I should point out that one of the keys is stuck down.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:48 AM

Didn't Wheatstone experiment with duet concertinas before settling on what became the Maccann layout? I realize that is not the most historically accurate statement...

Wheatstone did experiment with the duet concept, producing both the Duett on auction here (keyboard layout here) and the Double discussed in some old threads (keyboard layout here). Neither sold well, and both were discontinued with only a few examples built.

It's been said (I don't recall by whom) that when the Maccann patented his keyboard design (1884) the Wheatstone company (not Charles himself; he died in 1875) maintained that it was really just a copy of their own earlier design, which is why the name Maccann is never found associated with the design in Wheatstone ledgers, price lists, etc. Wheatstone calls it either "the Duet" or "the Wheatstone Duet".

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:55 AM

And that, Mr Lucas, is why you're and "intellectual Opinionmaker" :P

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:30 PM

There I was walking down North Bar Within, Beverley and as I passed by the showcase window for Hawley's antiques what should I see but this very concertina on display. (Couldn't go in to check it out as it's not a proper shop, just a window display)
See attatched pics, sorry for poor quality, the glass was a bit smudged. Perhaps I'll pop along to the auction, making sure to keep my hands in my pockets!!!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:17 PM

There I was walking down North Bar Within, Beverley and as I passed by the showcase window for Hawley's antiques what should I see but this very concertina on display. (Couldn't go in to check it out as it's not a proper shop, just a window display)
See attatched pics, sorry for poor quality, the glass was a bit smudged. Perhaps I'll pop along to the auction, making sure to keep my hands in my pockets!!!

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Jake



If you do decide to bid, you could well be outbid by Neil Wayne. He keeps adding to his collection. Last year, he successfully bid on an example of a 24 key Wheatstone Symphonium, being sold at auction, by Gardiner-Houlgate of Corsham. See link here. I think it fetched 5,500!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

It's been said (I don't recall by whom) that when the Maccann patented his keyboard design (1884) the Wheatstone company (not Charles himself; he died in 1875) maintained that it was really just a copy of their own earlier design, which is why the name Maccann is never found associated with the design in Wheatstone ledgers, price lists, etc. Wheatstone calls it either "the Duet" or "the Wheatstone Duet".


I think that's entirely believable. I just looked at your keyboard layouts and I reckon I could play that straight off without hesitation; it's a Maccan layout without the outer rows of accidentals; even down to the way the upper C crosses over to the other side of the keyboard. Buttons may be absent, but the ones that are there are all exactly where they should be. All Maccan did was make it fully chromatic and extend it onward which hardly seems revolutionary. The old toad. So I play a Wheatstone duet then.

Mind you Wheatstone had given up on it by the time Prof Maccan took it on, it seems, so maybe he deserves the credit for demonstrating what it could do?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:27 AM

It's been said (I don't recall by whom) that when the Maccann patented his keyboard design (1884) the Wheatstone company (not Charles himself; he died in 1875) maintained that it was really just a copy of their own earlier design, which is why the name Maccann is never found associated with the design in Wheatstone ledgers, price lists, etc. Wheatstone calls it either "the Duet" or "the Wheatstone Duet".

I just looked at your keyboard layouts and I reckon I could play that straight off without hesitation; it's a Maccan layout without the outer rows of accidentals; even down to the way the upper C crosses over to the other side of the keyboard.

(Not "my" layouts. I've linked to layouts at concertina.com. Great resource!)

Let me once again suggest a different perspective:

It's not that on the Duett "the upper C crosses over", a description which suggests the breaking of a pattern. In fact, where the otherwise completely consistent pattern is broken is with the G-A-B row at the bottom. The sequence of the octave from C to C is exactly the same as the C-to-C octave starting on middle C on the treble English. It's just that on the English the two left hand columns are on the left end of the bellows and the two right hand columns on the right end, while on the Duett and Maccann the two sets of columns are side by side on the same end. And that pattern -- sans accidentals -- is Wheatstone's original diatonic keyboard layout, as shown in various figures on page 10 of his 1829 patent.

Just as the English is an elaboration of the symphonium keyboard layout, so are the Duett and its descendant, the Maccann (or Wheatstone Duet). The elaborations of the Duett are the addition of an accidental in an outer "column" and the anomalous pattern of the lowest row, which places the lower G in the same column as the upper one. It looks as if Professor Maccann extended those two concepts... to two full outer columns of accidentals and full-octave repetitions of notes in same columns. Should we wonder instead why he kept the fully alternating Wheatstone layout even for one octave, instead of going to the fully repeating Chidley pattern throughout the keyboard?



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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:01 PM

Today was the preview for tomorrow's sale, so I went up to Beverley Racecourse to have a look at this "Rare Duetta".
The woodwork was clean and in good condition with a nice varnish/laquer.
The handrests were of metal covered with leather and the straps in very poor condition.
It was impossible to check how it sounds as one button was permanently depressed and eight out of sixteen bellows corners were worn into holes.
A makers stamp was impressed into one end saying :-

By Her Majestys Letters Patent
Wheatstone ( & Co )??
20 Conduit St
London

The brochure gave a ball-park sale figure of 300-500. But the price paid on the day will, of course, depend upon how many keenly interested bidders there are!!!

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:02 AM

Bidding opened at 300, proceeded quickly to 600, going to a telephone bidder.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:46 PM

Well, well. It looks like there's another one for sale just now on eBay, this one in Australia: http://www.ebay.ca/i...em=120875902439

By any chance, do the ledger analyzers know how many were actually made/sold?




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