[PeterT]

English:
http://www.peterfran...A012&LotRef=206

Crane Duet:
http://www.peterfran...A012&LotRef=207

[michael sam wild]

Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model.

I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un?

This post has been edited by michael sam wild: 13 November 2009 - 07:26 AM

[saguaro_squeezer]

It says it's in a wheatstone box. I'd be interested as well. Have to see how to bid ...

[Theo]

saguaro_squeezer, on 13 November 2009 - 01:03 PM, said:

It says it's in a wheatstone box. I'd be interested as well. Have to see how to bid ...

And on the hand strap

[Greg Jowaisas]

Looks to be very similar,albeit a few less buttons, to a Shakespeare Crane offered by Hobgoblin:
http://www.hobgoblin...&name=Hobgoblin Second Hand Instruments

Look in the duet section.

Greg

[conzertino]

Is anybody going to that auction? I'm after that tuning-box that comes with the English concertina... We could split the lot?!?

[spindizzy]

See also this thread ..... for the Camarthen auction

Chris

[Daniel Hersh]

I believe that Stephen Chambers once told me that the Mozart concertinas were made by Shakespeare -- but that conversation was over 25 years ago, so I might be mistaken.

michael sam wild, on 13 November 2009 - 04:10 AM, said:

Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model.

I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un?

[Stephen Chambers]

Daniel Hersh, on 14 November 2009 - 06:59 PM, said:

michael sam wild, on 13 November 2009 - 04:10 AM, said:

Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model.

I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un?

I believe that Stephen Chambers once told me that the Mozart concertinas were made by Shakespeare -- but that conversation was over 25 years ago, so I might be mistaken.

That's right, indeed apart from the fact that the workmanship is obviously the same, they're usually stamped "Maker T.S." alongside the "MOZART & Co." - which is a bit of a giveaway!

There have been a couple of previous threads that may be of interest: T Shakespeare What is known about this maker? and Shakespeare - One Or Two? History of makers

[michael sam wild]

Thanks Stephen that's very helpful.Are they any good?

[SteveP]

Typical - never seen a Mozart/Shakespeare Crane, and then two come along at once.

If anyone goes to the auction and/or gets to squeeze it, let us know.

[Stephen Chambers]

SteveP, on 15 November 2009 - 05:24 PM, said:

... and then two come along at once.

Like London buses...

[SteveS]

spindizzy, on 13 November 2009 - 05:47 PM, said:

See also this thread ..... for the Camarthen auction

Chris

EC sold for £600
Crane duet sold for £620

plus buyer's premium.

Any forum members win them?

Steve

This post has been edited by SteveS: 17 November 2009 - 10:23 AM

[SteveP]

SteveS, on 17 November 2009 - 02:13 PM, said:

EC sold for £600
Crane duet sold for £620

plus buyer's premium.

Any forum members win them?

Steve

Not guilty, although I was watching on t'internet in case nobody else turned up for the Crane.

[marien]

There is another shakespeare crane (50b) at hobgoblin. There is a remarkable big difference between the shop (2500) and the auction price (620) . There may be some work on the 48b, but that doesn't need 1900 pound I suppose.

What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane?

[SteveP]

marien, on 19 November 2009 - 07:59 PM, said:

What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane?

I suppose the simple answer is "whatever someone is willing to pay for one". So at the moment, £620.

Has anyone on here ever squeezed one? If they have, they might be in a position to say "higher" or "too much!"

[Ivan Viehoff]

marien, on 19 November 2009 - 08:59 PM, said:

There is another shakespeare crane (50b) at hobgoblin. There is a remarkable big difference between the shop (2500) and the auction price (620) . There may be some work on the 48b, but that doesn't need 1900 pound I suppose.

What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane?

A typical 48b Crane (Lachenal, Wheatstone, etc), in good playing condition (but not an Aeola or anything special like that), sells at prices around about £900 to £1200, say, in private/dealer transactions. (Though maybe with the weak pound foreign demand can push prices up a bit.) But in general £620+buyers premium for one that, so far as we can tell, needs doing up is not necessarily specially cheap, even though it was sold at a little known auction house at a remote location where you might expect to get the occasional bargain.

Now we expect things at shop-based retailers to cost rather more than the above prices, perhaps 50% more even. As far as I can see the 50b has its two extra buttons on the right hand, so is therefore limited to the standard 20b (C to G) on the left hand, in contrast to a 55 button which is usually 30+25, giving you the full two octaves in the right hand. So I can't see it is worth any special premium over a 48b unless it is a concertina of very special playing quality. So I don't know why Hobgoblin think they might get £2500 for it.