magpie Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Any thoughts on this concertina? I'm considering bidding on it as it looks pretty good but might appreciate any other insights... http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Antique-1915-JEFFRIES-Anglo-36-button-Concertina-Accordion-Music-case-/332388586695? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian brown Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Well there's no info on the pitch, so imagine it turns out it's in Ab/Eb at a-452Hz - perhaps not such a wonderful bargain? Also seller says it has 36 buttons, so he's not able to count - and with no internal photos, not sure I'd have much confidence... On the plus side from what we can see of the bellows, they look remarkably good, if they're original. Good luck if you do go for it... Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 Those are some very good points, thanks. I did e-mail the seller for photos of the inside but I wouldn't have thought about that all-important pitch! Well I'll hang back for the moment and see where it gets to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm clapp Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Well there's no info on the pitch, so imagine it turns out it's in Ab/Eb at a-452Hz - perhaps not such a wonderful bargain? An Ab/Eb could be the makings of a good G/D.... (sacrilege, I hear you scream!) The seller has added a comment correcting the button count. I think we might see some furious last minute bidding on this one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Reeves Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Ab / Eb is a lovely thing for an Irish Bb session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Barr Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 It is a Bb/F some of the notes are not working....it needs a tuning. I don't know if it just out or in some old pitch. Owner said he tried to open but could not part the wooden parts and was afraid to go any further and cause damage. It is at $5200+ USD. with 5 hours to go. To rich for my blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex West Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Looks like Chris Algar got it. Be interesting to see what he retails it for! Alex West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ghent Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Interested to know how you can detect it was Chris Algar? I can only see the winning bidder was 1***1. I spoke at length to the seller 5 or six days ago and identified the key for him. I told him how to get the end off but as stated he was unwilling to put a lot of force in to separating the bellows from the action box. If the reeds are not rusted then it will be a good buy. He played along the rows for me and a couple sounded like they had something caught and a couple did not play. Typical pitch variation was less than 10% with a couple a little more wild. It did not seem like an old temperament as it would surely be centred on B/f or F and those notes were out of tune by different amounts and in different directions at that. He struck me as a very straight up fellow, excited to have struck gold at a flea market. Said the concertina had not sold all day as it was expensive in comparison to everything else on sale. Must have been a very cheap market, it was peanuts! He had no idea of its potential value, just thought he could get more for it than he had paid. Surely a scenario many readers of this forum dream of while putting off getting out of bed on a cold morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Kruskal Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 What a beauty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayman Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Did Jeffries themselves use non-black leather such as this concertina has? I've never come across that before, so my assumption was (between colour and bellows condition) that it's a replacement bellows. Closing price about $5600 (US) or £4200 for the buyer (do we really know it was Chris Algar?) plus shipping and import duty. Not a bad price if it turns out to be in pretty good shape and you're the end buyer intending to tune it up and then play it, but I wouldn't think the seller would get a very great return on investment if the goal is to tune it up and put it up for sale for a profit... especially if it needs more than a little work. Chris Ghent, did the seller say what he paid for this at the flea market? Or will we faint dead away or have heart attacks if we hear? Edited October 4, 2017 by wayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian brown Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Did Jeffries themselves use non-black leather such as this concertina has? I've never come across that before, so my assumption was (between colour and bellows condition) that it's a replacement bellows. Closing price about $5600 (US) or £4200 for the buyer (do we really know it was Chris Algar?) plus shipping and import duty. Not a bad price if it turns out to be in pretty good shape and you're the end buyer intending to tune it up and then play it, but I wouldn't think the seller would get a very great return on investment if the goal is to tune it up and put it up for sale for a profit... especially if it needs more than a little work. Chris Ghent, did the seller say what he paid for this at the flea market? Or will we faint dead away or have heart attacks if we hear? My Bb/F also has similar coloured bellows (see photo) but they are considerably more knackered and I have no reason to suspect they are not original. I've seen other Jeffries with coloured bellows too. My remark about this instrument was only that the bellows seemed so new looking that it could perhaps shine a light on the condition of the internals, were they original... Buying unseen is always a risky business and I for one would prefer to pay more and have the luxury of choosing between several similar instruments, or having tried it, simply saying no! Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ghent Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 @Wayman He did say but I thought it was his business. Peanuts does cover it. He's a guy who enjoys buying and selling on Ebay. In 20 years this is about the 3rd or 4th time he has struck the big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think it is fairly common knowledge that 1***1 identifies Chris Alger as the buyer on ebay. He usually comes in from nowhere in the last few seconds. When he resells you can be sure he will have gone through the instrument finely, and had it put in very good working order, and properly in tune. Inventor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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