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#1 Anglogeezertoo

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

The Archive Organisation has a project ongoing to digitise old 78s & cylinders, here http://great78.archive.org

 

I have only made a brief search but came up with this example .... 

 a cylinder recording from 1904, a ragtime tune "Lumbering Luke", player unknown. here https://archive.org/details/ipc-2595

 

Happy hunting!!

 

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#2 malcolm clapp

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:19 PM

Likely to be Alexander Prince (?)

 

This page may be of interest    http://www.concertinas.org.uk/PrinceDiscog.html 



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Posted 24 September 2017 - 03:58 AM

Oh goodness me, do I like this one: https://archive.org/...ce_gbia0014261aat first I was convinced it must be two concertinas, but I guess it's just one amazingly clever player. The crispness of his articulation which even cuts through this 78rpm reproduction is inspiring...

 

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 09:24 AM

What type of Concertina would Alexander have been playing one ?

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 02:02 PM

What type of Concertina would Alexander have been playing one ?

 

Malcolm's link says he was a duet player (Maccann)

 

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 03:50 PM

Yes MacCann Duet  was Prince's instrument.

 

His  command of it is amazing. :o ..  his  détaché  playing  is a feature I  have tried  to emulate ..... and cannot get anywhere near. :wacko: 



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 04:38 AM

Yes MacCann Duet  was Prince's instrument.

 

His  command of it is amazing. :o ..  his  détaché  playing  is a feature I  have tried  to emulate ..... and cannot get anywhere near. :wacko:

 

What do you think the answer is Geoff - lots of bellows pressure and nimble fingers the place to start? In the bit of the Honest Toil from around 48secs he seems to turn today's maxim of "RH long LH short" on its head. I think he gets away with it by using that double octave counter melody, rather than trying any close harmony. However he did it, it's a real tour de force.

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 06:57 AM

It certainly is an impressive performance. I think part of the difficulty in sorting out what’s going on is in teasing out the contribution of the (uncredited) piano.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:51 AM

 

Yes MacCann Duet  was Prince's instrument.

 

His  command of it is amazing. :o ..  his  détaché  playing  is a feature I  have tried  to emulate ..... and cannot get anywhere near. :wacko:

 

What do you think the answer is Geoff - lots of bellows pressure and nimble fingers the place to start? In the bit of the Honest Toil from around 48secs he seems to turn today's maxim of "RH long LH short" on its head. I think he gets away with it by using that double octave counter melody, rather than trying any close harmony. However he did it, it's a real tour de force.

 

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Yes lots of air  pressure and perhaps a  stiffly sprung  keyboard ?  Just touch  the button  with a very quick  finger that has never done a day's manual work.  The contrast  between  longer notes  of a counter melody can also help to emphasize  those piquant  touches. 



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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:21 PM

To add one more thought to the above  post;  I imagine the  instrument played by  Alexander Prince  on  the  recordings where he exhibits  these very  neat  staccato  passages  would most likely have wooden ends, thus not even the slightest  'ringing -on'  effect  that  can happen with a metal ended  concertina.



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:45 PM

Malcolm's link is to my site, so I'll add a few more comments.

 

I now have many more release dates for these recordings, and Lumbering Luke was released by Edison-Bell (EB) on a wax cyinder (so pre gold moulded) in 1903 or 1904. There was no copyright until 1912, so this recording could have been 'taken' from the EB one, a practice that was widespread in those early days. Pirate audio arrived long before the internet :ph34r:

 

If you want to hear Prince more clearly, go to the 'Audio' section, and then the Alexander Prince section. The last few recordings were made electrically and are much better fidelity, as are the later acoustic recordings.

 

The project which is the subject of this thread is American based, so has few UK records. But it's worth reminding you that all the USA 'Victor' Prince recordings will have been made in the UK by the Gramophone Company (later HMV) and usually issued either on their 'Gramophone Concert' or 'Zonophone' labels. So the Honest Toil/Diadem record mentioned above will very likely be the recordings released on Zonophone 178 and 206 that were recorded in 1908, although Victor scrubbed out and replaced any of the English markings in the record run-outs. See here for another example.






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