Gary Chapin Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I've been obsessing about this tune, and actually went looking for a concertina version. Anyone? http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2013/07/tribute-le-cotillon-vert.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dunk Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I'm a bit confused by the music Gary, the B part has a time signature of 3/4 but the bars are written in 3/8?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I'm a bit confused by the music Gary, the B part has a time signature of 3/4 but the bars are written in 3/8?? Yes, it looks odd written like this and in fact Gary, when you played it "in your kitchen video" the B part does not sound very waltzy.. more like a Three Time Bourrée... I have been known to play this on my concertina, but I do not suggest that I have a Concertina Version.. it is just a dance that comes up at Bals from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dunk Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) This is the best I can come up with. X:25 T:Cotillon Vert, Le M:4/4 L:1/8 P:(AB)3 K:C P:A Q:1/4=140 |:edcB c2 de|f2 df e2c2|edcB c2de|f2d2c4:| M:3/8 L:1/8 Q:1/4=115 [P:B]gag|fde|fgf|e2c|efe|dBc|def|g3| gag|fde|fgf|e2c|efe|dBc|ded|c3|] Edit: refined the abc. I think the A repeats but the B doesn't, some of the recordings bear this out. Edited July 27, 2013 by tallship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Chapin Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) I'm a bit confused by the music Gary, the B part has a time signature of 3/4 but the bars are written in 3/8?? I would bet that that is simply an ABC error. In the Mally Bal Folk book, those are quarter notes. Here's a link to another rendering: http://www.diatojo.com/tablatures/fichiers/cotillon-vert.pdf I think the appropriate correction for the ABC is to change the L for the B part to 1/4 and to leave it in 3/4. [uPDATE: fixed it on the blog] Yes, it looks odd written like this and in fact Gary, when you played it "in your kitchen video" the B part does not sound very waltzy.. more like a Three Time Bourrée... I have been known to play this on my concertina, but I do not suggest that I have a Concertina Version.. it is just a dance that comes up at Bals from time to time. I could be playing it more quickly than I ought ... the French waltz can be brisk. Do you think Sylvain and Dominique's versions don't sound waltz-like? Edited July 28, 2013 by Gary Chapin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboody Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) To me the best solution seems to be X:25 T:Cotillon Vert, Le M:C| L:1/8 P:(AB)3 K:C P:A Q:1/2=115 |:edcB c2 de|f2 df e2c2|edcB c2de|f2d2c4:| M:3/8 L:1/8 Q:3/8=115 [P:B]gag|fde|fgf|e2c|efe|dBc|def|g3| gag|fde|fgf|e2c|efe|dBc|ded|c3|] It seems to me that in the performances the half note of the A section is essentially equal to one bar of the B section. If you prefer to look at the B section as 3/4 just change the M:3/4 L:1/4 Q:3/4=115 Edited: I don't know the dance so my tempo guess may be wrong, but that certainly makes it easy to play and corresponds quite well to the performances Edited July 28, 2013 by cboody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Besser Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I've been obsessing about this tune, and actually went looking for a concertina version. Anyone? http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2013/07/tribute-le-cotillon-vert.html Okay, I'll bite. Cool tune, never played anything quite like this before! Played in C on a Morse C/G anglo. Seems to me that to get the timing right, you have to see the dancers in front of you. https://soundcloud.com/concertinist/le-cotillon-vert-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yes, it looks odd written like this and in fact Gary, when you played it "in your kitchen video" the B part does not sound very waltzy.. more like a Three Time Bourrée... I have been known to play this on my concertina, but I do not suggest that I have a Concertina Version.. it is just a dance that comes up at Bals from time to time. I could be playing it more quickly than I ought ... the French waltz can be brisk. Do you think Sylvain and Dominique's versions don't sound waltz-like? Sylvain's sounds correctly waltzy, and I'm sure Dominique's will be perfect, though I cannot locate a version just this minute.... I think you need to waltz around the kitchen a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Chapin Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Jim, that's great and your chording is really nice. Thanks so much ... would you mind my sharing it on the blog??? Sylvain's sounds correctly waltzy, and I'm sure Dominique's will be perfect, though I cannot locate a version just this minute.... I think you need to waltz around the kitchen a bit You wouldn't be the first to suggest it! Dominique's is linked to in my article. Edited July 29, 2013 by Gary Chapin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Besser Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Jim, that's great and your chording is really nice. Thanks so much ... would you mind my sharing it on the blog??? Sure, be my guest. Thanks for the tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Nice take on it Jim. BTW....is the spelling a typo ; should there be another "i" or not? Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 BTW....is the spelling a typo ; should there be another "i" or not? Robin I think it can be either Cotillon or Cotillion but the former is more 'normal usage' today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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