Anglogeezer Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 In the topic I posted the other day - " Up-coming Auctions ... " - I should also have highlighted this, rather different, EC. For auction at GORRINGES, LEWES, UK. 03 December. http://www.gorringes.co.uk/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=LDEC14+++148+&refno=10326467&image=0 Lot 148. Estimated Price: £200 - £300Description: A Victorian C. Wheatstone stretched octagon concertina, with pierced fretwork rosewood ends and fifty one keys, with green leather bellows and original rosewood case Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) This looks to be a Bass . Lowest note C, highest note G. Edited November 23, 2014 by Geoff Wooff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Drinkwater Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 That is my thinking, too, Geoff. A Bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conzertino Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Single or double action? Any ideas?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindizzy Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The last single action that I saw had opening flaps in the bellows to gasp masses of air for the non-playing direction (pull), I can't see this here, so I'd suspect double action (but pictures aren't conclusive) Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The last single action that I saw had opening flaps in the bellows to gasp masses of air for the non-playing direction (pull), I can't see this here, so I'd suspect double action (but pictures aren't conclusive) That's standard; it's what makes single action viable. But all the single action concertinas I've seen -- with one exception -- had those "gills" only on faces that weren't visible from the top and front, i.e., faces not visible in the photos provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindizzy Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The last single action that I saw had opening flaps in the bellows to gasp masses of air for the non-playing direction (pull), I can't see this here, so I'd suspect double action (but pictures aren't conclusive) That's standard; it's what makes single action viable. But all the single action concertinas I've seen -- with one exception -- had those "gills" only on faces that weren't visible from the top and front, i.e., faces not visible in the photos provided. Thanks - that's good to know. I briefly got lent a single action bass to play in a band at a worksshop. The player can see the gills even if the audience can't I still remember the waft of mildew that came out every push! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglogeezer Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Just looking at this again - The auction site now also says :- "No serial number, just the one label for Charles Wheatstone, one button on each side is pressed in so assume a service will be required, there are various scratches and marks on the rosewood fret ends consistent with use and other generally scuffs and marks on the green bellows but no obvious rips or tears, thumb straps are complete but a little tatty in places, original rosewood carry case appears to be ok, overall average condition.Quite low Bass notes and only sound on the push of the bellows." - So, SINGLE ACTION then. It seems that online bidding has commenced, currently stands at £200. Here :- http://www.invaluable.com/catalog/viewLot.cfm?lotRef=7b11829e5a&scp=c&ri=148&wtchLt=true Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Drinkwater Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yes, I thought it would most likely be single action. And, as you can see from the previous posting, the auction house have now put up the above condition report on the concertina, in response to my request for further information about the concertina and its condition. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Yes, I thought it would most likely be single action. And, as you can see from the previous posting, the auction house have now put up the above condition report on the concertina, in response to my request for further information about the concertina and its condition. Dare they open it up? One possibility that occurs to me is that it might be a "clarionet" bass. Those have a special tone quality, with special reeds and chambers to produce that special sound. But either a view of the reed pan or a good sound sample would be needed to tell the difference. And I suspect that "no serial number" means that the serial number label is missing from the outside. I bet if they opened it up, they would find a serial number stamped in the usual internal locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conzertino Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 It sits there now at 1.400 Pound - plus up to 25%.... No bargain anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDNICKILBY Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Jim "Serial number on the inside". On a Wheatstone, surely some mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Jim "Serial number on the inside". On a Wheatstone, surely some mistake Not at all - I have both a Wheatstone bass with no serial number and no batch number, and a treble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Jim "Serial number on the inside". On a Wheatstone, surely some mistake Huh? Does not compute. Are you trying to say that Wheatstone never put serial numbers on the inside? Then these "Wheatstones" I have -- with both batch numbers and serial numbers inside -- are all fakes? I hope I'm just misunderstanding you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDNICKILBY Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Well Jim , I have several Wheatstones without "numbers" only batch numbers. Regards M'Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Well Jim , I have several Wheatstones without "numbers" only batch numbers. Regards M'Duck Interesting, and I don't doubt it, but they apparently don't define all Wheatstones. Do yours come from significantly different periods, or maybe all from a particular period in Wheatstone's history? I have or have had instruments with serial numbers in the 2xxxx and 3xxxx range which all have internal serial numbers. I've also seen #1132, which I recall having an internal serial number. Steve S says he has Wheatstones with no serial or batch number, and I believe him. But I seem to recall from other discussions here that there were certain periods during which Wheatstone seems not to have stamped the serial numbers internally, at least not consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Hammer price £1400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Drinkwater Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Plus buyer's premium of 20.56% - an additional £300.00, or thereabouts. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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