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Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number


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#1 johnconstable

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 05:39 PM

Hi everyone. I'm trying to date my lachenal (12732) but I can't find the database of serial numbers anywhere. Please could someone point me in the right direction?

 

I'd love to learn more about my instrument so any other elevant resources that spring to mind would be great!

 

I tried to attach some photos for your interest....

 

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#2 Dowright

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:42 AM

John,

All else the same, I simple would have estimated the year of manufacture as 1867 based on the serial number of No. 12732.  And maybe that is a good estimate. But all is not the same: the problem is the label showing Lachenal & Co. The first English-system Lachenal in my database (having over 2300 entries) is No. 19070. All earlier ones for which I have information are labeled "Louis Lachenal, Patent Concertina Manufacturer." So your No. 12732 may have been made in the mid-1860s and then had a post-1873 label substituted for the original label. Or is could have been made after 1873 but with a serial number corresponding to the earlier manufacturing period.


Edited by Dowright, 25 April 2017 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:44 AM

John, 

Incidentally, does it have brass or steel reeds?



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Posted 25 April 2017 - 10:53 AM

Thanks for that. What you say rings a bell. It was reconditioned or serviced professionally just before I bought it and I think I remember being told the label was renewed.

 

I'm not sure about the reeds - how might I tell? I wouldn't know by listening as I'm a complete beginner. I bought this shortly before having a brain haemorrhage which robbed me of some of my dexterity so I haven't really got into it yet and I wouldn't recognise the difference. Sadly I'll probably end up selling it but it'll be a shame because it's a lovely thing.


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 01:01 PM

where is the database?



#6 Dowright

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 08:45 AM

The database has not been distributed. I am making extensive use of the data in the article on Lachenal production, which I am currently drafting.



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:21 AM

I should have indicated that, if you send me a serial number and description for your Lachenal concertina, I will gladly provide an approximate of the year of manufacture. It will be a while before I complete my article on Lachenal concertinas and the estimated manufacture dates.



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:45 AM

I should have indicated that, if you send me a serial number and description for your Lachenal concertina, I will gladly provide an approximate of the year of manufacture. It will be a while before I complete my article on Lachenal concertinas and the estimated manufacture dates.

Thanks, Dowright. The serial number is 12732 but I'm wondering if the 3 is actually an 8.

 

There are photos in the first post of this thread. We think the labels were renewed as part of the refurb and may not be the original ones.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:39 AM

John,

I would not be concerned if I could not tell if it is a 3 or an 8. For the last two digits of a serial number it is of no concern for estimating the year of manufacture if the digit is wrong. But it makes a total difference, of course, if someone is unsure about any of the first 2 digits of a 5-digit serial number, or any of the first three digits of a 6-digit Anglo number.

Let's just say "127X2" where X is either 3 or 8.






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